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06 Outback 2.5 XT brake issues by ty311usvi
Nov 18, 2009 (10:09 am)
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I just recently had my front pads replaced and rotors tuned. About 2 weeks later i started getting a clicking sound up front. took it back in and he made some adustments, we were all good for a couple more weeks. then the sound began again. the sound doesnt start until i am braking and under 15 mph. took it back in and he replaced the pads again. again more noises but this time it had a little grind characteristic to it. took it back in AGAIN and he switched brands of pads. again a couple weeks later new noises, this time more of a creaky, squeaky sound. any ideas???
#1857 of 1865
Re: 06 Outback 2.5 XT brake issues [ty311usvi] by kiawah
Nov 18, 2009 (12:41 pm)
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Replying to: ty311usvi (Nov 18, 2009 10:09 am)

Keep taking it back until they get it right.
 
I'm assuming this isn't the dealership doing the repair, and they aren't using original equipment parts. They may have to go buy pads from the dealership.
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Re: 06 Outback 2.5 XT brake issues [kiawah] by ty311usvi
Nov 18, 2009 (1:00 pm)
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Replying to: kiawah (Nov 18, 2009 12:41 pm)

you have assumed correctly. could it be anything else besides the brakes or rotors?
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Re: 06 Outback 2.5 XT brake issues [ty311usvi] by autodock
Nov 18, 2009 (5:28 pm)
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Replying to: ty311usvi (Nov 18, 2009 1:00 pm)

Hi a quick question do you feel any brake pedal pulsation when hearing these noises if so you may want to suggest to the tech to check for debris that got into the valves in the antilock brake pump system we have seen this many times when the brake fluid is nasty and back flushing brake system will alot of times clear this up just a thought hope this helps Autodock
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Re: 06 Outback 2.5 XT brake issues [autodock] by ty311usvi
Nov 19, 2009 (7:53 am)
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Replying to: autodock (Nov 18, 2009 5:28 pm)

not really. if its there, its very subtle. i will have him check the system though. thanks for the suggestion!
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Re: 06 Outback 2.5 XT brake issues [ty311usvi] by bpeebles
Nov 19, 2009 (7:06 pm)
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Replying to: ty311usvi (Nov 19, 2009 7:53 am)

I must have missed something... can you tell us again why a "very subtle" clicking sound should be elevated to the sataus of needing dealer attention and revisits??
 
A vehicle is a machine and it makes noise... if your car stops when you push on the brake pedal and does not pull to one side, consider it good and leave the dealer alone. I would never EVER want to be a service-manager who has to contend with customers who think that every little click or squeek is some kind of "problem". One must have the patience of a saint to deal with this day-in and day-out.
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Re: 06 Outback 2.5 XT brake issues [bpeebles] by ty311usvi
Nov 20, 2009 (9:39 am)
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Replying to: bpeebles (Nov 19, 2009 7:06 pm)

bpeebles, I wouldnt take the time to have my mom pick my 8 month old daughter up. Just so I can go back to the mechanic every other week for 2 months and have this problem fixed. It takes 2-3 hours out of my day off, which frankly i would rather spend with my daughter. It didnt happen before he changed my brakes. So if you ask me its a problem. And if you paid attention, the clicking noise isnt "very subtle". The possibility of pulsation when braking is very subtle if not there at all. I am looking for answers on this board not criticism. Everyone else on this board has been extremely helpful. In the end I dont want to waste the mechanics time, so I am asking a third party for advice. Im pretty sure thats why this service is available. so go find a more productive way to waste your time, ya "saint".
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Re: 06 Outback 2.5 XT brake issues [ty311usvi] by bpeebles
Nov 20, 2009 (5:58 pm)
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Replying to: ty311usvi (Nov 20, 2009 9:39 am)

My goodness - I have been working on cars for a very long time and have answers for you. I spend HOURS on edmunds following and answering questions. Please allow me another chance to try to calm you down.
 
I have carefully re-read all of your appends incase there is something I am missing.... My above response was in-essence suggesting that you should STOP taking it back and relax with your family instead. (There is noting "wrong")
 
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*)Rreciently-replaced brake pads may move around in their housing a bit and "click" as they hit the stops.
*) New rotors take time to becomed "seasoned". (A thin layer of the pad-material gets deposited on the surface of the rotor)
*)Your 'second' set of pads may be more 'agressive' and make grinding-type sound.
*)'agressive' pads tend to make creaky-squeeky sounds.
 
Bottom line : The behaviour you describe is not unusuall and no cause for alarm.
 
It sounds as if the mechanic has gone WAY BEYOND what many would do to try to make you happy. Even my attampt to calm you does not seem to be what you want to hear.
 
If you INSIST on taking it back because of the sounds... perhaps you need to spend more money for ceramic-based pads (Raybestos "Quiet-Stop" comes to mind) These pads are specifically designed to be very quiet. They come with "end shims" in the box that are intended to eliminate the 'slop' between the pad backing-plate and the housing. (This eliminates the "clicking" sounds)
 
Another way to reduce brake-noise is to use special backing-shims or "brake grease" between the pads and the calipers. This helps to reduce sqeeky brakes.
 
Does any of this help answer your question?
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Re: 06 Outback 2.5 XT brake issues [bpeebles] by ty311usvi
Nov 21, 2009 (9:14 am)
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Replying to: bpeebles (Nov 20, 2009 5:58 pm)

Thanks for coming back with info that helps me out. I am not a mechanic. When I have taken it back in all these times, he has never pointed any of these scenarios that have been presented to me on this forum. That is what I am looking for. It seemed that you were belittling me without fully understanding. I apologize if i got snippy, just built up frustrations with "car problems". How long would you say it would take for the clicking and other sounds to stop? Also, Im not sure if it makes any difference but, the sound doesnt happen every time i stop. It seems to depend on the amount of pressure applied to the brake pedal. Slower stops tend to be the clicker, whereas more sudden stops tend to not make the noise. Thanks again for the advice you offered this time around.
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Re: 06 Outback 2.5 XT brake issues [ty311usvi] by bpeebles
Nov 21, 2009 (8:19 pm)
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Replying to: ty311usvi (Nov 21, 2009 9:14 am)

You may find that the sounds you hear are simply "new" to you and thus you are concerned about them. We all become accustomed to the sounds that our cars make. This is a GOOD thing becasue new sounds tend to be obvious and may need attention. As you get accustomed to these new sounds that the brakes are making, I suspect you will come to accept them. This is all human-nature.
 
I too have a Subaru (2006 Baja with 60K miles) and the front brakes tend to make a faint click-click-click if I use very light pedal pressure at slow speeds. When I first heard this, I pulled the front wheels off and PMd the brakes (Preventive Maintenance).
 
I scrutenized all the brake-components, cleaned-up all the parts, filed off rust and lubricated sliding-surfaces. After all of this, the faint clicking was still there and I have almost come to *expect* it.
 
Your squeeking/squeeling may, or may not subside. I have already mentioned in my last append some remidies for squeeky brakes.

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