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Re: Engine cuts out when headlights turned on [Mr_Shiftright]
by jmaxe
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Aug 14, 2008 (9:38 am)
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Aug 11, 2008 11:35 am)
Thanks it was the battery, a dead cell they said even though only two years into an 84-month battery. I only seem to get about two+ years out of a battery in this Tx heat regardless of what battery I buy.
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Re: Engine cuts out when headlights turned on [jmaxe]
by burdawg
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Aug 14, 2008 (12:48 pm)
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Replying to: jmaxe (Aug 14, 2008 9:38 am)
That's standard for lead acid liquid batteries. It's the same in Arizona if not worse. The heat is really hard on them. You could go to a gel battery, they do better in the heat, but with the initial cost being 2 x 3 times a standard lead acid battery you don't really save any money. My solution is not to spend a lot of money on them, buy the 30 month batteries at Walmart or Costco. Spend a little money on a simple battery load tester and test it from time to time to monitor it's condition. You'll know about when it's ready to be replaced by the test results.
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Re: [satkins2252]
by kiawah
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Aug 14, 2008 (3:54 pm)
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Replying to: satkins2252 (Aug 14, 2008 9:36 am)
I don't know where it is for an Escort, but follow the leads from the + Battery. You'll find a large thick wire going down to the starter, but at some point you'll find a wire which feeds the main power buss of the car. Would be protected some how, perhaps in a black plastic case.
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Re: Battery Light Problem then came the rest.. [0patience]
by ashtrizz
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Aug 16, 2008 (7:32 pm)
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Replying to: 0patience (Jul 25, 2008 8:03 pm)
I just want to say thank you all for your ideas and help  I guess it ended up being a wire that was hanging down and when I would go over bumps it was rubbing on something that made it hot and melted it creating the short! So thanks ev1!!
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- #1020 of 1085
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HELP!!! 2001 chrysler voyager windows and door locks
by pat13151
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Aug 19, 2008 (5:44 pm)
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I have a 2001 Chrysler Voyager. 6 months ago my drivers side window started working slow then quit. Tried a new master switch it didn't work the drivers window either. Spent 100.00 to have it diagnosed and was told it was the motor. Couldn't afford a new one so drove with the window up argggg!!!!!! Recently the power door locks started working intermittently and now the rear vent windows and passenger window too. Was told it could be the power window relay but I don't know where it's hidden. I'm on a fixed income and have very little money add to that the fact that I'm a woman and you can see the problem. Some mechanics will tell you anything and take your money figuring you're a woman and won't know any better so it's hard to find one you can trust. Does anyone know where the window relay is hidden? it's not in the fuse box under the hood. Also could it be a short? Help!!! I'm getting ready to beat my head against the wall...lol 
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Re: HELP!!! 2001 chrysler voyager windows and door locks [pat13151]
by luckydogg
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Aug 19, 2008 (8:14 pm)
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Replying to: pat13151 (Aug 19, 2008 5:44 pm)
I had the same problem with my park ave. I went through everything, fuses, door module, window motors, etc. It ended up being a pin hole in a electrical wire that had finally rusted through..... In the Park Ave, the wire was under the windshield washer fluid container.. The wire was not in a harness. It just ran along the fender wall. Maybe this will help????
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Re: HELP!!! 2001 chrysler voyager windows and door locks [luckydogg]
by pat13151
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Aug 22, 2008 (4:43 am)
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Replying to: luckydogg (Aug 19, 2008 8:14 pm)
update! went to an auto repair shop supposed to specialize in electrical problems with a BBB listing. The mechanic I talked to could not grasp the fact that when the passenger window doesn't work neither do the auto door locks (they lock when you hit a certain speed), the door lock button or the vent windows and the door ajar buzzer. When one works they all work. He started going on about how he could replace both window motors and the vent motors and that the locks would be another repair. He insisted it couldn't be a short or bad wire because none of my fuses were blown and insisted it couldn't be the window relay (wherever they hid that). He treated me like I was an idiot for thinking they could all be connected somehow. When the window works it works fine and so do the vents etc, If the motors were bad then I don't see how they could work fine sometimes and not others.  this is me screaming
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Re: HELP!!! 2001 chrysler voyager windows and door locks [pat13151]
by kiawah
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Aug 22, 2008 (4:58 am)
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Replying to: pat13151 (Aug 22, 2008 4:43 am)
You need to find someone who has electrical schematics for your vehicle (and knows how to use them).
I don't have your schematics, so can't help you. But I'd be looking at the power feed to those devices, you may have a relay with some burnt points creating a resistance and dropping the voltage. This voltage could be checked with a digital voltmeter. Many vehicles also have a small computer or part of the body control which also is involved, for instance, automatically locking the doors when your vehicle exceeds 10mph, or opening the door locks when you put it in park. Remote start controls, can also control windows.
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Re: HELP!!! 2001 chrysler voyager windows and door locks [kiawah]
by pat13151
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Aug 22, 2008 (8:48 am)
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Replying to: kiawah (Aug 22, 2008 4:58 am)
Thanks for answering. I don't have remote start on my van or the remote to unlock the doors. I looked in the chilton repair manual for my van but I didn't find anything telling me where the relay for the windows is, someone said maybe under the dash somewhere.Unfortunately I'm a 57 year old woman who while I am handy I am not an auto mechanic. As you can see from my previous posts I'm not having much luck finding a qualified mechanic and I can't afford to take it to the dealership as they are way out of my budget. So far I've spent 200.00 and gotten nowhere. The last guy told me he could replace all the window motors and fix the door locks for around 3000.00 as they were all separate issues. I know this can't possibly be true as when they work they all work. He was the fifth supposedly certified mechanic I've talked to. It really frustrates me that that all these guys want to do is treat me like I'm stupid and take my money. If I had 3000.00 Id take it to the dealership.
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Re: HELP!!! 2001 chrysler voyager windows and door locks [pat13151]
by kiawah
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Aug 22, 2008 (9:03 am)
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Replying to: pat13151 (Aug 22, 2008 8:48 am)
online manual?
I just did a quick internet search for Voyager service manual, and came across these guys. Personally, I have never used them so don't know that their manuals get down to the electrical schematic level that you need. I've used HelmInc for online manuals successfully in the past, but they don't carry Plymouth manuals.
You want to find a set of manuals which gets you to a level of detail like this posting I have on my carspace that I did for someone else where I had the manuals, and was able to mark it up for them. Normally you'll only find black and white. Hayes and Chilton normally don't get down to that level of detail, you typically need some sort of factory service manuals which also need electrical schematics.
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