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Electronic Gremlins: Electrical Problems That Are Driving You Crazy

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Engine cuts out when headlights turned on by jmaxe
Aug 11, 2008 (10:58 am)
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My 04 Accord was dead this morning (1 yr old battery) and I mean dead, no panel lights, starter click...nothing. So I jumped it and started off to work. I noticed that whenever I turned on the headlights the engine seemed to cut out for just an instant. The car actually bucked a little as well. Radio or a/c did not produce a similar effect. Where do I start looking for the problem?
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Re: Engine cuts out when headlights turned on [jmaxe] by kiawah
Aug 11, 2008 (11:34 am)
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Replying to: jmaxe (Aug 11, 2008 10:58 am)

Take it to an autoparts chain, and have them do a free alternator and battery load test on the vehicle.
 
- You could have a bad battery
- You could have a bad alternator
- You could have loose and/or corroded cable connections
- You could have left something on (or something is defective which didn't turn itself off), which drained down your battery to nothing
- Some combination of the above.
 
The lights draw substantially more current than the other items. I suspect you have a VERY bad battery, or a couple diodes in your alternator are out and it's not able to produce enough current to charge up your battery or drive the lights.
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Re: Engine cuts out when headlights turned on [jmaxe] by Mr_Shiftright HOST
Aug 11, 2008 (11:35 am)
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Replying to: jmaxe (Aug 11, 2008 10:58 am)

Your battery. Your alternator cannot fully charge a battery that quickly, so you are running on low voltage. This affects computer management.
 
You should have the battery charged, otherwise you might overstress your alternator and then you'll have TWO problems.
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98 FORD ESCORT Engine stalls when break is pressed by satkins2252
Aug 13, 2008 (3:28 pm)
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Hey first I want to let all you guys know I have worked in maintenance the past year. What I've learned in the past year is ALL I know about maintenance. It's general maintenance so I dont know all of the technical car terms. I appreciate any help you can give me also. I will try to be as descriptive as possible.
 
I killed my battery by leaving my lights on overnight. When I attempted to jump my car from my girlfriend's car battery I accidently switched the cables and connected them in reverse. I successfully started the car (by connecting the cables correctly). When I removed the cables from the battery the car stalled immediately. I was told by several people to replace my alternator. I replaced my alternator. After replacing the alternator and jumping the car again the car does not stall after removing the cables but idles very low. The problem now is that when I press the break pedal to put it into gear the car stalls.
 
I did not change anything except the negative battery terminal. I replaced it because it was rusted and broke off during the alternator changing process. The grounding block and negative cable are both connected to the new main terminal connection of the negative battery terminal. I made sure to connect the electrical wires securely to the new alternator also.
 
I should also add that I took my battery to both Advanced Auto and Autozone to be tested. Advanced Auto's machine did not say bad but said "replace battery" indicating to me that the battery is bad. Autozone's said "good battery". I was ready to replace the battery until I saw that. I would prefer to save money if it is not the battery.
 
Once again I appreciate any advice given.
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Re: 98 FORD ESCORT Engine stalls when break is pressed [satkins2252] by kiawah
Aug 13, 2008 (7:57 pm)
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Replying to: satkins2252 (Aug 13, 2008 3:28 pm)

Do you have a digital voltmeter you can put on the battery to understand how much voltage it is putting out? You can pick one up relatively cheaply at Radio Shack or even some auto parts chains, and you should have approx 13.5-14.0 volts.
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Re: 98 FORD ESCORT Engine stalls when break is pressed [kiawah] by bolivar
Aug 13, 2008 (10:06 pm)
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Replying to: kiawah (Aug 13, 2008 7:57 pm)

If the engine is not running and the alternator is not charging the battery, a nicely charged battery will read 12.6 volts.
 
With the motor running and alternator correctly charging the battery, you should see something like 13 to 15 volts.
 
Back to your problem. If you incorrectly connected the jumper cables, you might have done all kind of things in addition to harming the alternator.
 
You might have also melted a fusible link somewhere close to the battery. Or burned up who knows what computer - more than one if your car has more than one.
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by satkins2252
Aug 14, 2008 (9:36 am)
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Does anyone know where this fuseable link might be located. It's a 98 Ford Escort. I've looked all around the battery. I was told it looks like a giant fuse with a clear cover.
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Re: Engine cuts out when headlights turned on [Mr_Shiftright] by jmaxe
Aug 14, 2008 (9:38 am)
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Aug 11, 2008 11:35 am)

Thanks it was the battery, a dead cell they said even though only two years into an 84-month battery. I only seem to get about two+ years out of a battery in this Tx heat regardless of what battery I buy.
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Re: Engine cuts out when headlights turned on [jmaxe] by burdawg
Aug 14, 2008 (12:48 pm)
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Replying to: jmaxe (Aug 14, 2008 9:38 am)

That's standard for lead acid liquid batteries. It's the same in Arizona if not worse. The heat is really hard on them. You could go to a gel battery, they do better in the heat, but with the initial cost being 2 x 3 times a standard lead acid battery you don't really save any money. My solution is not to spend a lot of money on them, buy the 30 month batteries at Walmart or Costco. Spend a little money on a simple battery load tester and test it from time to time to monitor it's condition. You'll know about when it's ready to be replaced by the test results.
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Re: [satkins2252] by kiawah
Aug 14, 2008 (3:54 pm)
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Replying to: satkins2252 (Aug 14, 2008 9:36 am)

I don't know where it is for an Escort, but follow the leads from the + Battery. You'll find a large thick wire going down to the starter, but at some point you'll find a wire which feeds the main power buss of the car. Would be protected some how, perhaps in a black plastic case.

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