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#7124 of 8657 What should I expect to spend for service in 4 yrs
Aug 19, 2007 (6:54 pm)
I got an offer to lease a 2007 outback 2.5i wagon for $309.00 for 42 months, nothing down.
Is that a good deal? The warranty period seems to be only 36 months. What about repairs in the 4th year?
Is there any more reason to buy a 2007 or a 2008 when leasing?
I am used to Audi and BMW's no expense for service for the 48 months I leased them. How much per month is the free service worth? In other words, how much more per month should I reserve for service for the 42 months.
Lastly, with the end of year coming in a couple of weeks, would Audi or BMW offer anything close to the 310 I got on the Subaru Outback?
#7125 of 8657 Re: What should I expect to spend for service in 4 yrs [andre1313]
Aug 19, 2007 (7:17 pm)
New Car Limited Warranty
BASIC COVERAGE is 3 years or 36,000 miles, whichever comes first. Subject to the exclusions listed in this warranty, it covers the entire car.
Seat Belt Lifetime Limited Warranty
SEAT BELT COVERAGE lasts for the useful life of the vehicle and includes seat belts and related components which fail to function properly during normal use. This warranty does not apply to cosmetic appearance, such as color fading, when the seat belts function properly. Coverage also excludes any electrical related components or body anchor points.
Wear Item Limited Warranty
Wear item coverage is 3 year or 36,000 miles, whichever comes first. Items covered are brake pad/shoe linings, clutch linings, and wiper blades.
Powertrain Limited Warranty
POWERTRAIN COVERAGE for all models is 5 years or 60,000 miles, whichever comes first. Subject to the exclusions listed in this warranty, it covers the major powertrain components listed below.
Powertrain Coverage Components
Engine block and all internal parts
Cylinder heads and valve trains
Oil pump, oil pan
Timing belts or gears and cover
Intake and exhaust manifolds
Oil seals and gaskets
Transaxle and Differential
Transaxle case and internal parts
Electronic transmission control unit
Seals and gaskets
Axle shafts & constant velocity joints [except boots]*
*Axle shaft and/or CVJ damage due to broken, torn, split or damaged boots, allowing the intrusion of road abrasive material, is not coverable under warranty.
Maintenance Plan info here: http://www.subaru.com/owners/addedsecurity/index.jsp?id=ADDED_SECURITY_SUBARU_PL- ANS#ques0
#7126 of 8657 Re: What should I expect to spend for service in 4 yrs [andre1313]
by MrShift@Edmunds HOST
Aug 19, 2007 (7:18 pm)
There's better deals than that...what your deal SEEMS to be is that they are increasing your monthly payments and term of lease to make up for not having you put money down.
See this link for current Subaru lease deals that seem better than yours might be:
Subaru Lease Deals
#7127 of 8657 A/C leaking into passenger floor on 2005 Outback wagon
Aug 20, 2007 (7:53 am)
I bought my 2005 Outback LLBean edition in late August 2004. In the summer of 2006 we were on a long drive to Boston on a hot day and my husband was sitting on the passenger side and he noticed dripping on his foot. (This actually may have happened in 2005 also, I just cant remember now.) We had the A/C running. I'm not sure if this is the 1st time it happened or not, Because I drive in the car alot my myself and I dont notice what is going on over on the passenger side floor. So I brought it to Subaru, who said "There is no problem, its not wet now". So a few weeks later he notices it again and we bring it in. They see that the floor is soaked and they said that there was debris in the A/C drain and they blew it out. OK, fine. This year in 2007 I bring the car in AGAIN with the same problem and they blow out the A/C drain again to get rid of any debris. That was in the end of June. In late July we notice it AGAIN, while running the A/C on a long drive to Boston on a very hot day.
So I call Subaru again on 7/31 and tell them I have brought the car in 3-4 times for this issue and its still not fixed. The guy sayd that they stand by their work and to bring it in again and they will get to the bottom of it. So I bring it back on 8/3 and wait 3 hours while they take apart the dash. When they are done they tell me that the A/C drain was blocked by wiring and that was causing the water to come up into the car rather than empty outside. He assures me that it should be all set now.
On 8/16 we notice it again! Argh. I am so pissed and feel like I have given Subaru ample time to fix this issue. My husband wants to fill out lemon paperwork on the car. The VT law says that you have to have reported the problem 2x during the initial warranty, and we have reported at least 3 times, maybe even 4.
Has anyone seen had a problem like this before?
#7128 of 8657 Re: Legacy Head Gasket issues-which engines? [doug22]
Aug 20, 2007 (9:45 am)
Doug, the problem is with the 2.5L engine, not 2.2L, though it is not impossible for a gasket on a 2.2 to fail. Unless the car has a service record, there would be no easy way to tell if the gasket(s) was replaced.
Other problems I have heard about or experienced include: 1. transmission (hesitation to go forward when first placed in gear); 2. leaky valve cover gaskets and camshaft seals; and 3. a propensity for cabin electrical to go awry such as door locks (no auto unlock for non-driver door) and dash lighting.
I might be forgetting something, but none of these things (other than transmission) would send me running from the car. I would deduct them from the price, though!
#7129 of 8657 Re: A/C leaking into passenger floor on 2005 Outback wagon [khallock]
Aug 20, 2007 (10:13 am)
I have a 2005 Outback and a 2006 Legacy. Have never seen water dripping before. It also sounds like an uncommon problem- unique to your car.
I would take the car to a different dealership. I bet each time you took the car in, you probably got the same tech. The same tech probably did the same job, each and every time. Make sure you explain to the new dealership your problems with the old one.
If a new dealership is not possible, then I would ask to speak to the service manager. You can also call Subaru of America. Perhaps they would put some pressure on the dealership to fix the problem. No dealership likes SOA calling them.
You also may want to get all-weather mats, if you don't already have them. Then at least the water will puddle up and not get absorbed into the carpet.
#7130 of 8657 Re: A/C leaking into passenger floor on 2005 Outback wagon [plim77]
Aug 20, 2007 (10:36 am)
Plim77 - Thanks. Taking it to another dealership isnt really going to work because that would mean me driving at least an hour to get to one. I have the all-weather mats and they dont do anything for this problem. The water starts dripping way further up under the dashboard and by the time it gets to the floor, its underneath the all-weather mats.
I think we are going to try filling out the lemon paperwork to see if that puts a fire under anyones ass, and then call SOA, or maybe I should do it vice versa, but i feel like I have given them enough chances as it is...if I could get a refund or a new car out of the deal that would be sweet.
#7131 of 8657 Re: A/C leaking into passenger floor on 2005 Outback wagon [khallock]
Aug 20, 2007 (12:18 pm)
Yes, and deserved at this point as well. No A/C drain leak should ever cause the headaches is has caused for you.
#7132 of 8657 Re: A/C leaking into passenger floor on 2005 Outback wagon [xwesx]
Aug 20, 2007 (1:58 pm)
I think the problem may be that you had it on recirculate for too long in traffic? It's fairly common for the condensor which is in front of the passengers feet area to freeze up during bumper to bumper traffic in very hot weather. This also sometimes causes you to not get very cold air out of the vents either. Next time it happens try switching from recirc to non-recirc and/or move the temp to a warmer setting.
#7133 of 8657 Re: A/C leaking into passenger floor on 2005 Outback wagon [paisan]
Aug 21, 2007 (6:13 am)
Mike, No I don't think so because when we usually notice this it is when we are driving on the highway with no traffic. Also I live in Vermont and I dont hit much bumper-to-bumper traffic up here!