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#6949 of 8657 2006 Subaru Outback stalling
Apr 19, 2007 (12:21 pm)
My friend bought a 2006 Outback 7 months ago but recently it has stalled on him while on the highway in rush hour traffic. Quite scary. Dealership and Subaru have not been helpful. I was wondering if anyone else has had such major problems.
The first time, they said it was an ECM and replaced it. This was after they said they couldn't find the problem and my friend got in the car and stalled 30 feet from their driveway. Seriously!
The second time, after driving it hundreds of miles, they said it was a bent tong in the fuse box. Seriously!
My friend has driven the car for a few weeks so far and all is good but he doesn't have much confidence. A bent tong? How did it get bent? This sound familiar to anyone?
#6950 of 8657 Re: 2006 Subaru Outback stalling [bohappa]
Apr 19, 2007 (12:32 pm)
Not sure what the tong refers to....no idea actually.
If the dealer fixed it on the 2nd attempt, that's not too bad, actually.
Lemon Laws usually call for 3 strikes for the same problem in the first year.
Hopefully your friend will look back at this anomaly and laugh.
#6951 of 8657 IMPORTANT- 2007 Outback XT stalling: "Known issue"
Apr 19, 2007 (12:57 pm)
Reading through some of the posts today about some stalling issues with 2006 models, I wanted to let others know about our new 2007 Outback XT wagon that has been stalling. This has happened at least on 4 different occasions, including 3 times to my wife while accelerating on a freeway onramp. At other times, it doesn't always stall, but the engine shudders and bucks when starting from a standstill (e.g. from a stop light, but it doesn't always do so consistently.
We have brought it into Subaru dealers on 3 occasions-- the first time, they couldn't replicate it, and it was clear that they didn't believe that it was occurring. The second time we took it to a different dealer, where they actually got the shuddering replicated, and after communicating with Subaru of America they tried swapping out a part of the emissions system called the knock sensor. This worked-- but only for about 5 days-- then went right back to the shop. The regional technician got involved, and sent diagnostics to Japan's engineers at Subaru (so I'm told). This third time they've held onto the car for longer than 19 days and have been trying to swap out various parts.
Today, we were told that they have now gotten reports that this has been occurring and reported from others recently. They also told us that this is not considered a safety issue, but rather called it a "communication glitch" between the "computer logic" and the controlling unit of the transmission. They also are asking us to take back the car while they work on a solution.
Because we live in Washington State, which has very protective lemon laws, and because the car has been in the shop for more than 30 days (with less than 6000 miles and less than 5 months), we intend to fight back on this and demand replacement or reimbursement. I certainly don't consider stalling on an onramp of a freeway to be a trivial issue that is not safety related, and have ample documentation to back us up.
However, I wanted to let others know of this issue, and that this is apparently no longer isolated to our car alone, in case others were struggling to find evidence that this problem exists.
#6952 of 8657 Re: IMPORTANT- 2007 Outback XT stalling: "Known issue" [choekuo]
Apr 19, 2007 (2:38 pm)
Very interesting, sorry to hear it. I have an '06 OBOBT, with just under 30,000 miles. I haven't stalled, but just started having a shuddering or shack when the car shifts from 2nd to 3rd. Doesn't happen all of the time, but seems to happen under medium stress of the engine. Easy shifting no problem, hard through the gears still no problem. Will be taking it to the dealer soon for 30,00 miles maintenance, and will have them check it out.
#6953 of 8657 Re: IMPORTANT- 2007 Outback XT stalling: "Known issue" [choekuo]
Apr 20, 2007 (5:28 am)
Keep us posted. Ask them if they'll offer trade-in assistance for a different model. That way they can keep the car to try to diagnose it.
I'm surprised because the 2.5T has been around for 3 model years now, and it's not like a lot of people here are reporting stalling.
Still, they fine-tune things all the time, and SI drive is new, so maybe that had some effect?
#6954 of 8657 Option to trade lemon-- advice?
Apr 20, 2007 (2:02 pm)
Will keep everyone up to date. In the past couple of days I've spoken with a supervisor at Subaru of America, and they raised the possibility of trade-in for another car. Have any had experience with this? The way it was described was to essentially have a dealer buy back our car, and apply this toward a new car, with Subaru of America making up part of the difference between this amount-- however, they were very vague about how much they would make up.
My main concern is that the returned car will have depreciated value, and that it might end up expensive to pay much of the cost difference for the new one. We paid completely for our car, and as I see it, this trade would only make sense if they paid for a significant portion (most) of the cost difference between the trade in and new exchanged car.
#6955 of 8657 Re: Transmission? [afarmer]
Apr 20, 2007 (4:04 pm)
Here is the final result:
Had Subrau rebuild the transmission...it works fine now.
Cost $1385....used car insurance paid a little under half.
I'm not unhappy.......it is a very nice car.
#6956 of 8657 Re: starting problems
Apr 23, 2007 (9:03 am)
I'm having starting issues as well on my 98 GT wagon. It actually just started happening a few weeks ago. When the car is cold it takes about 6 or 7 cranks (although in one single try or turn-key) for it to start. When the car is warm, it takes about 2 to 3 cranks. I thought it was the battery, but I just got a new one and still no change. I checked the oil levels, everything seems to be normal. I'm coming up on T-belt change but I'm not sure if it has anything to do with that. Any thoughts?
#6957 of 8657 Re: Option to trade lemon-- advice? [choekuo]
Apr 23, 2007 (9:04 am)
Negotiate with them, as that's always a gray area.
Obviously they want to help. Still, they're going to take a big hit buying that car back. If they absorb half or more of the new car depreciation, I say go for it.
What I usually tell people is that a car loses 10% of its value the minute you drive off the lot. After that it's about 10% per year, or per 10k miles. So calculate how much it's depreciated, and see if Subaru will make up half of that.
Example. You have 8k miles, so by my rule-of-thumb formula the car has lost 18% of its original value. If Subaru agrees to cover at least 9% of that cost with a trade subsidy, IMHO I'd take it.
Sounds like a raw deal?
Not really. You'll have a newer car with fewer miles. It will be worth more later when you trade. Plus you can leave the headaches behind you. Odds of getting a 2nd lemon are slim to none, i.e. they say lightning never strikes twice.
#6958 of 8657 Re: 2006 Subaru Outback stalling [ateixeira]
Apr 23, 2007 (10:31 am)
Subaru wants to negotiate a settlement so my friend is not sure what to do. I was trying to find out of the problem is endemic to all 2006 Outbacks.
Regarding lemon law, if the problem is life threatening, then 2 occurrences can be acceptable, or so one judged declared. I can't find the link right now but it is not black and white. The fact that Subaru wants to make a settlement though indicates they recognize the severity of the risk. Thank you for your comments.