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#6280 of 8657 2.5L head gasket revised
Jul 25, 2006 (7:37 am)
As we all know, in FEB 2004 SOA announced a campaign that addressed the HG issue in the 2.5 engines. That campaige only includes the 2.5L engine of years 99 - 02 and not all 2.5 engines in that year range are covered.
I know this topic has probably been beaten like a dead horse, but I have a few questions that I have not been able to find answers to before I buy my 1st Subaru:
1. I was all set to buy an 03 Outback assuming that by 03 SOA must have addressed the HG issue in their new cars. But I have heard some owners of 03's have experienced HG problems. At what year is it safe to buy a 2.5L engine Subaru and not have to worry about the HG issue: 03, 04, and 05?
2. What did SOA do to eliminate the HG issue: newly designed HG? , new HG manufacturer? , new HG sealant?, new install procedure? , etc. Basically what was the original problem and how was it redesigned so it will not happen any more?
3. If your Subaru is one in the HG campaign, you are advised to put in a 'special conditioner'.
What is that conditioner?
What's in it?
How does it stop or prevent the leaking?
If the conditioner can plug or clog small leaking passages, why won't it clog or reduce the flow through small passages in the radiator or engine?
4. If an engine is included in the HG campaign and SOA authorizes the HG to be replaced, when the new HG is put in are you still required to use the special additive?
5. I found a 02 outback for sale, it has a HG that leaks externally. I called SOA, they said that cars VIN is not part of the campaign and is not covered. How is that? Did this happen to many owners with the HG issue? Is this a way for SOA to say they are doing something for their customers, but in most cases they are not?
6. What percentage of the 2.5L phase II engines had the HG problem?
Do some years have a worst percentage than others? If yes, which?
7. Does anyone know the VIN ranges that are included in the SOA HG campaign?
#6281 of 8657 Re: 2.5L head gasket revised [tacoma5050]
Jul 25, 2006 (8:36 am)
1. I have not seen the 03s that you report, I thought by then it was behind them.
2. The HG material was revised more than once, I believe.
3. Conditioner = Stop Leak. basically.
4. Not sure, but I think so. You have a sticker that says whenever you flush the cooling system to use the conditioner again.
5. Some 02s were included, others were not. Our '02 Legacy L was not included, but it's been just fine. We did not add the conditioner.
6. Hard to say. It was common enough that I would be concerned about the 99-02 used models. At least those are covered. Just make sure they did have the conditioner added (so I'd avoid that 02 just in case).
7. No, but call 800-SUBARU3 with any particular VIN to find out.
#6282 of 8657 Re: 2.5L head gasket revised [tacoma5050]
Jul 25, 2006 (8:42 am)
Go to an enthusiast site like ultimatesubaru.net.
Most of your questions have been correctly answered in existing threads.
It's important because the HG warranty was extended if you add the stop leak product. I forget the brand, but it is a commercial product.
#6283 of 8657 Re: 2.5L head gasket revised [tacoma5050]
Jul 25, 2006 (9:11 am)
I just got off the phone with SOA. They told me that starting in late 02 and in all 03's and up, SOA started adding the conditioner(StopLeak I guess)and put a newly designed HG in all the 2.5L engines.
So if you have a 2003 or newer, you supposidly have the conditioner. (I hope this stuff does not affect the radiator) Anyone out there with an '03 or newer who can look at their owners manual(or maybe a sticker somewhere) and tell me if the conditioner is in fact required on coolant changes.
#6284 of 8657 Re: 2.5L head gasket revised [tacoma5050]
Jul 26, 2006 (9:43 am)
Well, for my 2000 model I'm supposed to use the additive every time the coolant is changed, for evermore.
And because I'm about it I'll reiterate that Subaru did not see the need to extend the warranty on HG failures for its Canadian customers. Why bother, eh?
#6285 of 8657 Re: 2.5L head gasket revised [tacoma5050]
Jul 27, 2006 (5:00 pm)
My '02 had the trouble last year. The dealer added the sealant and admitted sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. Surprisingly mine may have been "fixed". I haven't noticed any anti-freeze smell, the level was down slightly about six months after. I added some & will keep an eye on it.
#6286 of 8657 Window Electrical Problem
Aug 04, 2006 (5:11 pm)
The driver window on my 00 OB stopped working today (fortunately in the 'up' position). I pulled the switch panel and got the switch assembly open. As far as I can tell using a meter, the actual switch works, making the same connections as the one next to it. But the circuit board has some other components on it so without a wiring diagram I can't be sure that the whole assembly is operating correctly. So my next step is to take the door panel off and check for power at the motor.
I wanted to check fuses, but where are they? I can't find a mention of window fuses in the manual or on either of the two fuse panels. Anyone know?
#6287 of 8657 Re: Window Electrical Problem [goosegog]
Aug 04, 2006 (8:22 pm)
If your meter showed power downstream from the switch, the problem is not a fuse or a switch. It sounds like the motor.
I just finished replacing the power widow regulator assembly on my 02 Caravan. The job took me 4 hours. But the Subaru regulator assembly is simpler. I never had to work on the power windows on any of my Subarus. Yours is the first power window malfunction I have heard of.
I have seen estimates of over $500 for the job. The part will probably run $100. If your time is worth less that $200 an hour, I would recommend you order a motor and do the replacement yourself.
#6288 of 8657 Outback First Oil Change
Aug 05, 2006 (8:55 am)
It is time for the first oil change on my 2006 Outback 2.5i. I bought a filter and oil plug gasket from the dealer. But the service advisor could not tell me the torque value for the drain plug. If anyone knows the value, I would appreciate hearing.
#6289 of 8657 Re: Outback First Oil Change [nerd]
Aug 05, 2006 (1:35 pm)
From the 2005 Legacy/Outback service manual, section/page PM-8, the torque spec is 33 ft-lb (44 N-m in metric). Of all the cars I've had, this is one of the easiest for oil & filter change. By the way, I find it very odd that a Subaru service advisor wouldn't know this. An afterthought: If you want, I can email the oil service pages (.pdf) to you; just make your email visible.