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#360 of 391 by alwaysfords Apr 24, 2002 (6:15 am)
Replying to: rroyce10 (Feb 21, 2003 5:17 am) The Canadian $$ is weak compared to the USD, and the pricing reflects it. The Pathfinder board is full of people hwo have done the Canada trip, both on the East and West coast. The cost difference is around 4k on a 28k vehicle. Nissan also has clamped down on the practice in the same way Ford has. This sort of stuff is not limited to cars, it happens on lots of products. I am in a different field, and our products are priced differently all over the world. You charge what the economy can support. We have also recently been stung by false distributors setting up shop in second and third world countries, buying our product at the prevailing rate, and reselling them into the US at full price.
#361 of 391 Question by masspector Apr 25, 2002 (3:32 am)
Replying to: rroyce10 (Feb 21, 2003 5:17 am) Can a Canadian citizen/company set up a business of purchasing vehicles from Canadian dealers and then selling them to Americans? Sounds like a no brainer to me. Canadian broker buys Nisaan at $4000 discount sells it to me at cost plus $500. I would do that all day long. Then the dealer and manufacturer are out of the loop.
#362 of 391 by alwaysfords Apr 25, 2002 (4:33 am)
Replying to: rroyce10 (Feb 21, 2003 5:17 am) One little hitch - by the VIN they know where the car was sold and can refuse warranty service on that vehicle in the states. Nissan is reportedly trying to address the problem that way now. Your concept was used quite frequently on European cars as well when the exchange rate was more attractive. Even private purchasers got into the act - you could order a Benz for delivery in Germany, pick up the car at a reduced price, vacation with it in Europe, ship it back, and still be ahead of the US price.
#363 of 391 As it stands now .. by rroyce10 Apr 25, 2002 (11:19 am)
Replying to: rroyce10 (Feb 21, 2003 5:17 am) ....... Right now, Honda and Nissan will not cover their warranties across the borders ..         Chrysler has just fined 10 of their biggest dealers in Canada for bringing them across the border.         Ford will stand behind their vehicles 110% --- So we will see what happens next month... l.o.l...          Terry.
#364 of 391 AlwaysFords, by shipo Apr 27, 2002 (8:07 pm)
Replying to: rroyce10 (Feb 21, 2003 5:17 am) BMW still has a program for European Delivery, I just got back from Germany two days ago after picking up a new 530i which cost me about $5,300 less than buying the car here in the States. Oddly enough, in this case BMW acutally encourages people to buy via the ED option. All I had to do was negotiate with my local dealer for the ED price, he then ordered the car from here, I picked it up in Munich, drove with my wife to Paris for a long weekend, drove it back to Munich, dropped it off, and flew home. My car will show up here at my local dealership in about three weeks, and all I have to do is go over and pick it up.   Best Regards, Shipo
#365 of 391 Warranties by im_brentwood Apr 28, 2002 (7:36 am)
Replying to: rroyce10 (Feb 21, 2003 5:17 am) I know with a lot of them, the warranties ARE Valid in the US.. but they ask a questiuon to the dealer...   "What do the license plates on the Unit say?"   Bill
#366 of 391 Canadian Private seller by tboner1965 Apr 28, 2002 (10:26 am)
Replying to: rroyce10 (Feb 21, 2003 5:17 am) probably couldn't make much $$$. I suspect he/she would have to pay taxes/VAT on the car. To then turn it over to a US buyer, that person would have to pay the canadian sticker, taxes and whatever vig the canadian buyer/seller wanted.   I suspect the difference wouldn't be enough for the hassle at that point.   TB
#367 of 391 Odometer fraud follows increase in vehicle imports from Canada by Car_man HOST Nov 03, 2002 (7:10 am)
Replying to: rroyce10 (Feb 21, 2003 5:17 am) I came across the following article this morning, and immediately thought of this discussion and pulled it out of the old freezer. It's from a newsletter called Dealer's Edge that I subscribe to.   "Dealer's Edge November 4, 2002 Vol. 8, No. 41 439 Words Page 6   -------------------------------------------------   Odometer fraud follows increase in vehicle imports from Canada   Fewer miles on a vehicle mean dealers can increase the sale prices by thousands of dollars.   DealersEdge has reported several times (DE 2/11/02, 4/29/02, 7/22/02, 8/12/02) on the gray market trade for used vehicles between Canada and the U.S. No wonder. The temptation is great. Favorable exchange rates make vehicles brought in from Canada and sold in the U. S. extremely profitable. So far, so good. But a disturbing trend, odometer tampering, has begun to emerge as an unwelcome angle to this business.   According to a report in the Seattle Times, law enforcement officers broke up an organized ring of Canadian and Spokane-area car dealers accused of fixing odometers at falsely low settings, allowing them to inflate car prices and bilk buyers out of as much as $1 million in all.   Authorities say it is a growing problem from Washington State to Maine.   Before Canadian vehicles can be sold in the U.S., their speedometers and odometers must be converted from kilometers to miles. This creates an opportunity for shady dealers to roll a few thousand miles off the vehicle in the process, and then increase its sale price by thousands of dollars.   Seven people in Canada and the United States were indicted by a federal grand jury in Spokane for rolling back the odometers on 122 used vehicles from Canada that were then sold in eastern Washington state.   Most of the vehicles were expensive trucks and sport-utility vehicles, and some had up to 50,000 miles taken off the odometer. Estimates are that an additional profit of 10 cents for each mile that is rolled back, or $5,000 on 50,000 miles.   Role of NAFTA   The North American Free Trade Agreement has produced a huge increase in the volume of cross-border car sales. In 1996, only 2,500 used vehicles were brought into the U. S. from Canada. So far this year, the total is about 350,000, according to published reports. But the U.S. Department of Transportation has only four agents dedicated to odometer fraud in the entire country, and no one is assigned to look specifically at vehicles from Canada.   No comprehensive study of the problem has been conducted, but the NHTSA has about 10 investigations in progress. Still, dealers insist the vast majority of vehicles from Canada have honest odometer readings.   At Dealer Auto Auction Northwest in Spokane, where about 10 percent to 20 percent of the cars sold come from Canada, co-owner Greg Mahugh said his business had already detected problems with some cars before the federal government announced the indictments. His company had already stopped working with the people who were charged, he said.   Nationally, the federal government estimates more than 450,000 people every year buy used vehicles with mileage gauges rolled back."   Enjoy and please feel free to use the following discussion to talk specifically about this article or about Gray Market imports in general.   Car_man Host Smart Shoppers / FWI Message Boards
#368 of 391 Car_man HOST by rroyce10 Nov 03, 2002 (8:04 am)
Replying to: rroyce10 (Feb 21, 2003 5:17 am) ... That's a great article, thanks for droppin' it off ..            That should fall in line with the Canadian dealer that got caught about 6 weeks ago at the Detroit auction with all the "roll backs" .. I bet his account is lookin' a little thin right now .. Ouch.! .l.o.l....            Terry.
#369 of 391 CAR MAN by sonjaab Nov 03, 2002 (11:11 am)
Replying to: rroyce10 (Feb 21, 2003 5:17 am) Check that again ! Some of the cars sold up here in northern NY have been converted to MPH speedos with importer sticker on door jamb. Also some are sold with just the km speedo. A couple of my buds up here have Can. import trucks with both!........geo

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