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#312 of 391 GUYS by sonjaab Sep 01, 2002 (5:33 am)
Replying to: dusti (Apr 16, 2002 3:53 pm) The used car store across the street from me sells TONS of Canadian imported vehicles ! I live in northern NY along the US-Can. border. This guy also owns a Ford dealer too.....I will ask what it costs to bring them over from Canada monday and post..geo
#313 of 391 tboner, by landru2 Sep 01, 2002 (10:37 am)
Replying to: dusti (Apr 16, 2002 3:53 pm) Er, you do realize that Canada is a country and not another state don't you?   The fact that different countries have different requirements to operate businesses is the reason for the "byzantine" distribution systems as you put it. Just like I can't just go and start doing business in Nevada without going through a bunch of "byzantine" red tape. Just like I can't go to the U.S. and take an American worker's job without going through the U.S.'s "byzantine" immigration system.   You want to import a new car from another country? Be my guest. But be prepared to go through some "byzantine" inconveniences.
#314 of 391 landru2 by tboner1965 Sep 01, 2002 (2:12 pm)
Replying to: dusti (Apr 16, 2002 3:53 pm) It seems Ford is able to ship cars built in the USA every day to Canada.   So why is it ok for Ford to move cars across borders and not individuals?   And borders do not change the logo on the hood, so please stop trying to change the subject. Ford and other carmakers build the cars and hide behind the system setup, required or otherwise, to provide an excuse not to stand behind the product they produce.   All I want is for the carmaker to support the car they build.   What does a border have to do with that?   And if that car was built in the USA, shipped to Canada, then purchased by a US citizen, why is it ok for Ford to sell cars to Canadian businesses, but not ok for US citizens to buy from those Canadian businesses.   When you boil it all down, it really doesn't make sense for a carmaker to not honor the warranty when they ship vehicles across borders every day.   That is point? Why do you keep trying to make this a discussion of citizenship?   TB Who got A's in history and geography, although that was a few years ok, but I do remember much of it 8^)
#315 of 391 And before you say I didn't answer your question by tboner1965 Sep 01, 2002 (2:18 pm)
Replying to: dusti (Apr 16, 2002 3:53 pm) yes I did, I do know that Canada is not another state.   Now answer my question, why do dealers cry about losing money on new car sales and then complain about customers who may:   1. Pay full sticker knowing the price is much lower in Canada.   2. Desire to have the vehicle serviced at their local dealership.   I find it odd that many who complain about losing money on new car sales are the very ones who then complain to the carmaker about not being able to lose money on selling some US citizen his car.   I find it odd indeed that, at least in the US, new car dealers have fought every attempt to bypass them in the sales process, yet many note or complain here, that new car sales is a money losing activity.   So why do dealers hold on to such a loser? Why not just do the service and used car sales and let someone else lose the money?   I await the answer.   TB
#316 of 391 tboner, by landru2 Sep 01, 2002 (3:50 pm)
Replying to: dusti (Apr 16, 2002 3:53 pm) You think a car maker just ships stuff across the border without any importing red tape? Please.   And most dealers would love to do away with their new car departments but dealers don't get to pick and choose what aspect of the business they want to pursue. But that would be rather shortsighted from a dealer's point of view. You want to be a Ford/Dodge/Toyota dealer? You have to provide the full package if you want that big sign out front.   You must've missed the earlier discussion of how the mass importing of vehicles has a detrimental effect on an entire market. I happen to think that protecting the market that I make my living in is a little more important than if some American can save some money on their next car purchase. What is bothering me about some of the arguments here is when people feel that their need to save a few dollars should outweigh another country's entire car-buying population.
#317 of 391 Never said that there is no red tape by tboner1965 Sep 01, 2002 (4:40 pm)
Replying to: dusti (Apr 16, 2002 3:53 pm) I never once said that cars are not shipped across borders without red tape. And if an American buys a new car in Canada, I expect that there will be red tape.   Heck, there is red tape for us when we buy a car here at home, so it is reasonable to expect red tape to bring a car across the border.   But it must be obvious that I am anti-protectionist market practices. What support is the seperation of the two markets. (EDIT, I have no idea what that last sentance was about, so I don't even know how to change it.) I don't agree with that, pure and simple. Nothing personal, so I hope you don't think I'm picking on you, I just don't agree (Plus I'm a bit miffed, a stock Ford Taurus, say a 97-99, just cleaned my clock at the Auto Cross event I returned from. He is allowed race tires, but I don't think he was using them. It was just insane watching him drift that 3L, Automatic sedan through a very tight course. I turned a 29.8 to his 28.8, so I'm a bit grumpy!)   Are there really that many people who can travel to Canada to buy a car and bring it back to the USA to significantly change the Canadian Market?   I'm a free market guy, and know/believe that artificial barriers (such as the withdrawl of warranty support or governments instituting trade barriers) in the long term artificially raise prices and stunt economic growth. Free trade allows the participants to find areas of relative advantage and capitalize on such advantages.   This of course is in the macro view of the world. Of course there will always be individuals who are adversely effected. But even this should be short term as people and businesses can/should adapt as well.   So just put me down as a free trader.   TB As much as I don't like what the automakers are doing wrt Canadian imports, it's minor compared to my contempt for Microsoft's Business practices.
#318 of 391 Solution... by jwilliams4 Sep 02, 2002 (6:54 am)
Replying to: dusti (Apr 16, 2002 3:53 pm) If you want to buy a car from a Canadian Ford Dealer, by all means, do so. If you want Warranty service on said car, have it performed by a Canadian Ford Dealer. They sold you the car. Ford Canada warrants the car. To ask a U.S. dealer to warrant the car is ridiculous. They (the U.S. dealer or Ford U.S.) did not sell it to you. Won't get reimbursed by Ford. Why this has gone on for almost 200 posts is beyond me. Just my two cents. Jim
#319 of 391 I had this thought last night by tboner1965 Sep 02, 2002 (8:20 am)
Replying to: dusti (Apr 16, 2002 3:53 pm) I recalled when I was in the military and shipped my Chevy Beretta to Germany. You know what, the Opel dealer was more than happy to perform warranty service on my car. In fact, I was able to contact GM about what to do with my car and how to get service while overseas. They were very happy to give me a list of dealers who would support my car. I did take advantage of this as well, as I had an issue with an exhaust component that would creak and pop under acceleration/decelleration. The Opel service was excellent.   If an Opel dealer across the ocean can support cars they don't normally sell, and provide warranty service, why can't a Ford dealer in the United States provide warranty service to a nearly identical vehicle? (The question about the differences still hasn't been answered, BTW.)   Like I've said before, I believe it is just wrong for a manufacturer to not stand behind the vehicle they build.   FWIW,   TB Off to BBQ
#320 of 391 MY BUDDY by sonjaab Sep 02, 2002 (8:36 am)
Replying to: dusti (Apr 16, 2002 3:53 pm) Bought a Canadian Imported truck from the little dealer across the street. Had a warranty issue and took it to the local US ford dealer. Paid the 100? deductible...no problem. But as I read lately they are denieing (spl) warranty work on Can. Import cars. Who knows ! Will talk to the used car dealer across the street about it and how much it cost to bring a used one over from Can. and post.....geo
#321 of 391 TB by kcram HOST Sep 02, 2002 (12:29 pm)
Replying to: dusti (Apr 16, 2002 3:53 pm) from 192: It seems Ford is able to ship cars built in the USA every day to Canada.   So why is it ok for Ford to move cars across borders and not individuals?   Ford is sending untitled inventory to Canada, not sold titled cars. No different than Japanese-assembled home electronics being shipped to the US for sale. Not an apples to apples comparison at all.   From 193: Now answer my question, why do dealers cry about losing money on new car sales and then complain about customers who may:   1. Pay full sticker knowing the price is much lower in Canada.   2. Desire to have the vehicle serviced at their local dealership.   Dealers sell new cars at low margin in the hopes that the majority of their customers will return for parts, maintenance, repair, warranty/recall, and repeat business. THAT is wheree they make money. I can use myself as a good example for this. I ordered my Ram in Feb of 1996, and it was delivered in May. Sticker was $33,991 - invoice was 29,278. Selling prioce was 30,376, giving the dealer almost 1100 in gross revenue, plus almost all of the $1019 of holdback because that truck was there just long enough to be prepped. Good deal on both sides. And for the last 6+ years, I have all service except tires and alignment done there. They made LOTS of money there - thousands of dollars. And in return, I get price cuts on service and parts. I don't get the runaround when I do say something is wrong because they see that truck regularly. You know what another of my rewards was? When my dad was shopping for a minivan in August of 2001, they sold one to him for invoice and added a $2000 rebate to that. And knowing how well they treat my Ram, Dad goes there for all his Grand Caravan service too. It's all about establishing a relationship. And next spring, I'll likely be back to order a 2003 Ram that will sticker for $42,000.   Now, had I purchased the truck in 1996 and never shown up there again, then expected another great deal in 2003, I likely wouldn't get one.   From 197: I recalled when I was in the military and shipped my Chevy Beretta to Germany.   Military and diplomatic personnel in other countries are considered guests of that country - you weren't establishing residency and becoming a German citizen, nor were you a German citizen bringing a brand new Beretta into the country from the US. Again, your situaltion was not an apples to apples comparison.   kcram Host Smart Shopper and FWI Message Boards

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