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#52 of 2056 More Z info! by jimxo Nov 13, 2001 (8:07 pm)
Check out the Z at :   http://www.zcar.com
#53 of 2056 Turbo Z? by revdrluv Nov 13, 2001 (10:21 pm)
280 hp with this version right? With that being the cap on Japanese hp levels unless that car sells like crazy here I can't see that actually happening
#54 of 2056 ok, alaskan... by flyingfish176 Nov 14, 2001 (12:28 am)
Well said, my friend.   1) You're right, but the image of the Z wasn't like the image of the Civic/Corolla/Justy. I think people didn't look at "Japanese cars" holistically, but looked at each individual car's image, just like the domestics. Viper was a Dodge, and Dodge had a rep for poor quality... good image didn't seem to be there to help it.   2) We're talking about image, here. The NSX has been an extraordinary success with image, if nothing else. Can you honestly say you've driven by an NSX and not said "wow" ?   3) So you're saying the image of the 90's trio didn't fit with the image of previous gens? Yep, that's accurate. But there's no reason a car's image can't change... just look at the Mercury Cougar.   4) It's a marketing decision... put it in a price class of it's own to build some image. They shouldn't have to justify it... nobody else has has to. For example: Cadillac sells a rebadged Tahoe for $15,000 more, and I'll bet that price is ... a little inflated to create good image, compared to the actual value of the vehicle. Same with many other Caddies, they don't have to justify it, though.   So the Z, RX and Supra all had images previously, and all failed because they tried to change their image from budget-racer to high-dollar sports-car. That tells me two things: we North American car buyers are both stubborn and prejudiced. Stubborn because we can't accept these formerly inexpensive cars as "higher image", prejudiced because the judgement is based on image instead of actual technology and value.
#55 of 2056 by revdrluv Nov 14, 2001 (7:13 am)
Right on flying fish. The three japanese super coupes (four if you want to count the 3000gt) failed because the grew too expensive for their fan base to afford them. Thats it really. They were great cars but maybe a little too great. A little too ambitious. That stubborness you speak of is not limited to us North American consumers, these cars met a similar fate in the UK and Europe.   The NSX is respected but not that many are bought. Honda I think was a little too ambitious with that price tag. The next one might have a v8 and be priced far less, now that would be great brand positioning. Price it to compete with the corvette Z06 and then things will get fun.
#56 of 2056 Getting back on track 101: The Detroit News by ezshift5 Nov 14, 2001 (2:05 pm)
........has a familiar-themed article about the new Nissan 350Z.......www.detnews.com.........doesn't address the weight tho'
#57 of 2056 Just to touch on by nyccarguy Nov 14, 2001 (2:59 pm)
the 4 banger BMW thing. The reason BMW replaced the car with an I-6 is because the American market didn't take to the 318 well. The majority of 318 buyers wanted the car with an automotic and bought the car just so they could say they have a Bimmer (I hate that word). If these people would drive 318s with a 5 speed, they'd still import them here.   Early 90's Japanese cars failed because they got too damn expensive. A Turbo Z in '90 was $30 Grand, So was a 3000GT VR4. By the time '95 hit, these cars stickered somewhere in the neighborhood of $50 Grand and they didn't make that much money for the car companies. These cars were built on platforms of their own and didn't share engives with other cars in their stable. Huge overhead.
#58 of 2056 nyc: by flyingfish176 Nov 15, 2001 (12:11 pm)
ooh, those hideous 318ti's eh? I always thought they looked like Hyundai Accents with BMW badges!   The Japanese four horsemen (Z, VR-4, Supra, RX-7) I still don't think were too expensive, they were a good value for what you got. But everybody sees them as too expensive because their predecessors were cheapies. The problem would have been averted had they changed the names of the cars to suit the new image they set.
#59 of 2056 I dont like the Ti's by nyccarguy Nov 19, 2001 (10:31 am)
I agree, the 318ti's were not my favorite, but the 318is was cool if you got it with the 5 speed.
#60 of 2056 Convertible vs. Non by msaralno Nov 19, 2001 (12:10 pm)
I'm curious if anybody has any comments on the new 350z with and without a convertible top.   I presently have a convertible Saab. The convertible is fun, but I am not particularly attached to it.   With the new 350z, I am not anxious to wait for the convertible and nor am I excited to pay what I suspect will be at least about $5000 more.   Anyone have any comments on the advisability of one versus the other?

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