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#3321 of 3640 Deciding between Toyota Prius and Honda Civic Hybrid...
Jun 11, 2013 (9:01 pm)
Hey pals, I am currently debating between getting a 2003 Honda Civic Hybrid from a private party or a 2008 Prius from a dealer. Here are the stats:
Brand new IMA battery (saw the receipt for it, just replaced last week)
Warranty has expired
I inspected the car myself, tires looked near-new, car was very clean, no discernible rust. Everything looked fine under the hood, but I don't know much about cars so I'd need to have a mechanic look at it.
Certified honda dealership
Five more years/45,000 miles left on warranty
Car was incredibly clean, looked near-new. Bitchin red paint
So obviously the Honda Civic is only worth the price because it has a new battery, but will that battery last a long time? I believe the battery that just crapped out was the original so that's ten years, but will the rest of the car even last that long? With the Prius I will be paying a lot more monthly, but I have more peace of mind and I don't have to waste money having a mechanic look at it. I'm gonna be taking out a loan to pay for most of either one, so is the Prius worth the bigger payments/longer loan term? Thanks guys!
#3322 of 3640 Looking for a good salesman's car that has good / mileage.....
Jun 12, 2013 (5:48 am)
First, let me say ahead of time, thank you for all input
I've driven a '97 Ford Crown Vic for the last 8 years and it's been great. But it's got maybe a couple weeks left as the rust has made it borderline dangerous. I'm big (6'2", 250lbs), so getting in and out of a Camry, or similar is really a hassle. Here are my questions:
-Domestic or Foreign? I call on all sorts of people at their houses...city people, rural people...is having a foreign car that offensive to some people anymore?
-I can't afford new.
-Is Enterprise Car Sales a good source to buy from?
-For some reason, I've always had, since riding in my friends 2002 Avalon, an infatuation / jealousy of a Toyota Avalon. Roomy, pretty good mileage, etc.,....
-How are they for reliability?
-Also test drove for a day, a Chrysler 300 C back in 1994, BEFORE they were released, and absolutely love that car. We've also rented from Enterprise Chrysler Town & Country vans for our Spring Break trips to Florida from here in Indiana...and loved them...but was that most likely because they were all too 'new' and didn't have enough miles on them to show the flaws?
-I can spend $3,000-$12,000 or so, maybe up to $15,000. However, I don't have good credit (just about 10 pts below 'average' on the FICO score, but our $150,000 house is paid off,s o I guess I could tap into that with a HELOC)...I've never had to purchase a car...always had company cars or bought the CV from family....for $3,000 (his book value) versus the blue book value at the time of $11,800 ...an awesome deal.
-Even though I'm experienced with investments, and even worked for a fleet leasing company for a year as a salesman, I'm intimidated by going to my credit union or local independent car leasing company in the neighborhood.
-Finally, lease or own? As it is used for work, I think leasing is the best option, and if I do a lease, I'd like to keep payments reasonable. However, I am in a commission only business, so the income flow can be feast or famine.
I know, a LOT to digest here...which is why I'm overwhelmed I think. My CV is completely rusted out on the underside, so much so that my mechanic told me he HOPES the car makes it to the end of the month before the front end collapses and would really rather I not drive it at all, but certainly not on the interstate. My rule right now is to do as much of the sales call on the phone as possible, and only drive the CV to go out to get signatures on deals...direct revenue generating. I sell health insurance, life insurance, investment management, etc.,....
-Thanks ahead of time for all input. Help!
#3323 of 3640 Re: Deciding between Toyota Prius and Honda Civic Hybrid... [smelterjones]
Jun 12, 2013 (7:23 am)
Where to start. First off, of the repairs likely needed for an older car, a battery is the least of your concerns. There are so many much more expensive parts that will need replacing, like, for example, Tires, struts, and coils. Second, $6200 seems excessive for a Civic with that age and mileage. Check used car pricing for your area on Edmunds and Kbb. Finally, have ANY vehicle, even a certified one, checked out by an independent mechanic first. These are both very reliable cars but you should still get them checked. We bought a certified car awhile back that needed new tires. Not bald, so passed the inspection, but definitely worn.
You don't say the price they are asking for the Prius. That could be a good bet because it will definitely be great on fuel economy. But check out its typical used prices too. Did you drive both of them? I imagine the Prius will not sit on the lot very long.
#3324 of 3640 Re: Looking for a good salesman's car that has good / mileage..... [evolk1]
Jun 12, 2013 (7:25 am)
What about an older large Buick, LeSabre or Lucerne? You're used to a Crown Vic, you will fit in them, they are cheap and cheap to repair. Generally reliable too.
#3325 of 3640 Re: Looking for a good salesman's car that has good / mileage..... [evolk1]
Jun 12, 2013 (8:35 am)
-Foreign vs domestic really depends on location. Most any metro area nobody will ever say a word. Out in the boonies, particularly midwest....someone might hold it against you. I used to do a lot of consulting work for companies that were GM suppliers...and I always had a GM vehicle available for when calling on them. It was just common courtesy in my book for clients that made up a big part of my income at the time.
-Avalon is a pretty good car. Drives as good/better than a CV and very reliable.
-If an Avalon is a reliable car...a 300C is very close to the opposite. I see the attraction (big, rwd, comfortable) but I'd take another CV before a 300C if I was going to be piling the miles on.
-Reliable transportation you can keep for awhile...I think you can get into something decent for $12k-$15k. I wouldn't go much under $10k and expect much.
-Leasing is rarely a good financial decision EVEN if you can deduct the payments. I can make the numbers work on a $40k vehicle where you invest the cash savings....but otherwise it rarely works out to your advantage. You can buy a $1,000 car and write-off $0.56/mile for tax purposes....and that generally is the way to go on sub $25k vehicles.
Most of the newer Camrys are also pretty roomy...they've gotten bigger and bigger. I had to spend some time in a Lincoln Towncar recently and I wasn't really impressed with the front seat comfort. I'm about 6'2" as well but not as horizontally challenged. I find most any SUV to be far more comfortable than a sedan. Also check out 2010+ Taurus.
#3326 of 3640 Re: Deciding between Toyota Prius and Honda Civic Hybrid... [suydam]
Jun 12, 2013 (12:06 pm)
Where to start. First off, of the repairs likely needed for an older car, a battery is the least of your concerns.
Not on a Hybrid, where battery packs can cost thousands of dollars.
#3327 of 3640 Re: Looking for a good salesman's car that has good / mileage..... [sebring95]
Jun 12, 2013 (12:12 pm)
I find most any SUV to be far more comfortable than a sedan. Also check out 2010+ Taurus.
I'd personally look at a 2008-2009 Taurus or Sable. You can get them CHEAP (since they are the old body style), but actually they have more room and the same powertrain than the 2010 Taurus. Most have Sync hands-free, etc.
This car has, by far, the biggest interior of any sedan I've ever been in. You should be able to score a very well-equipped Taurus with under 50,000 miles for $11k-13k depending on equipment. For the record, I'm a big guy (6'5" 210) and like the car as well. The only thing I'd count against it is the lack of a telescoping wheel on the 2008 model my parents have.
#3328 of 3640 Re: Deciding between Toyota Prius and Honda Civic Hybrid... [thegraduate]
by Kirstie@Edmunds HOST
Jun 12, 2013 (12:14 pm)
Also, probably worth checking our Civic Hybrid IMA Battery Problems discussion. IIRC, replacing the IMA battery has caused fuel consumption issues for some owners. Not sure, as i'm going off memory, but worth checking out.
#3329 of 3640 Re: Noisy [igozoomzoom]
by Kirstie@Edmunds HOST
Jun 12, 2013 (12:17 pm)
I also had a '92 Accord EX that was Frost White with Blue interior....it looked like a smurf had exploded inside the car,
Made me giggle out loud.
Couldn't remember the exact timing of in-/out-of-fashion colors... my youth is a blur of harvest gold, olive green, peach, and teal-is-the-new-black.
#3330 of 3640 Re: Deciding between Toyota Prius and Honda Civic Hybrid... [thegraduate]
Jun 12, 2013 (1:38 pm)
True, but the Prius battery has a great record. I didn't know Hondas made hybrids that far back!