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Chevrolet Malibu, Nissan Maxima, Mazda MAZDA3, Nissan Altima, Honda Accord, Honda Civic, Hyundai Elantra, Lexus IS 250, Acura TSX, Car Comparisons, Sedan
#3246 of 3640 Re: 2013 Accord EX vs 2013 Altima SV [jaxs1]
Apr 27, 2013 (6:11 am)
I definitely prefer the 2013 Accord over the 2013 Altima. The Altima is getting blander with each redesign and it kinda feels like itís trying to morph into a Camry! =/
I spent a weekend with a 2014 Accord Sport CVT a few months back (my bro-in-law runs the body shop for a big Honda/Acura dealer and he brought it home for me). Iím still not a CVT fan and I donít think I ever will be, but I must admit that the Honda CVT is light years ahead of Nissan and any other Iíve ever experienced!
Iím just excited that the Accord is a great car again. Iíve owned a few Accords and still have several 2005-2007 models in my family. I despised the 2008 model and it never grew on me. The 2013 feels, sounds and drives like a Honda. Enough said.
In addition to the Accord, you should at least take a drive in the 2014 Mazda6 i Touring! It is a stunning beauty, inside and out. Wardís Automotive just named it to their 10 Best Interiors of the Year and the reviews all seem to range from fantastic to amazing!
Itís performance specs are virtually identical to the Accordís and it has an exceptional 6-speed automatic transmission. The interior looks as upscale and attractive as the outside.
A couple of months ago, I had to take our CX-9 to the dealer to have a headlight assembly replaced under warranty. They offered me a loaner and I asked if I take one of these babies....and they did. It was immensely comfortable, as quiet as my 2012 CX-9 GT (which cost almost $40k) and I was amazed by how responsive the new Skyactiv 2.5L and 6-AT felt. I never felt the need for more power, and I have a heavy foot.
I was especially impressed by the quality of the interior materials and how well it was assembled. It was rock solid, even over moderate bumps or potholes or bad pavement.
The Mazda6 i Touring w/ Touring Tech Package would get you all the features you mentioned above. It would include Push Button Start, Advanced Keyless Entry System, Bluetooth audio and phone connectivity, Rear seat A/C vents and it was a very quiet and smooth ride, even with the gorgeous 19Ē wheels! It also does NOT have a moonroof, which seems to be a plus in your book. The Remote Start feature is a dealer-installed Mazda Accessory feature.
In addition to all that stuff, it also has a lot of other very nice features-
Bose 11-speaker Premium Surround Sound audio system
SIRIUSXM & Pandora capable
Voice Command for Audio & NAV systems
Dual-zone auto climate control (w/ rear vents)
Auto-dimming Rearview mirror w/ Homelink
Driverís side auto-dimming mirror
Heated side mirrors w/ integrated turn signals
And it also has some impressive and useful safety features-
-Blind Spot Monitoring System (Accord EX also has, I think)
-Rear Cross Traffic Alert (for backing out of blind parking spots)
-Rain-sensing automatic wipers
-Smart City Brake Support (SCBS)- under 24mph, it monitors for vehicles or obstacles in front of you, the brakes automatic tighten to provide the shortest stop possible, if no driver action is taken, it will automatically brake and cut engine power to avert or minimize a collision
-E911 automatic emergency notification- in cash of collision or airbag deployment, it will automatically call 911.
There are several other nice touches that also give it a very upscale feel. The steering-wheel, shift handle and parking brake handle are all leather covered, both front visors have auxiliary extensions, front and rear map lights and the center armrest slides to adjust. The power driverís seat is also very comfortable and has manual lumbar adjustment.
According to KBB, it is also the current Resale Value champ. Consumer Reports got 32mpg overall, compared to 31mpg for the Altima and 30mpg for the Accord. IIHS rates it as a ĎTop Safety Pickí slightly ahead of the Altima, if you dig into the numbers. The Mazda6, Accord and Altima are all within a fraction of an inch of each other in every dimension, but the Mazda6 back seat has a longer cushion to make it more comfy.
A Touring w/ the $2k Tech Pkg is currently selling around $25,800 according to TrueCar.com.
I just bought a CPO 2010 Acura TSX V6 a few weeks ago, but I still may end up with a Mazda6 before the year is out. Within the next few months, Mazda is adding a 2.2L turbodiesel to the lineup and, if itís as good as the reports of pre-production models say it is, I may not be able to resist....and I got such a steal on the TSX that I could easily trade it in without losing any money! Then weíd have a CX-9 and Mazda6....time will tell...
#3247 of 3640 Re: 2013 Accord EX vs 2013 Altima SV [sebring95]
Apr 27, 2013 (6:13 am)
Yes, we drove both numerous times. I'm a Nissan fan too. Had a Maxima before. I was surprised, but I think the '13 Altima is more mushy driving than my friend's '10. Although its lighter than the Accord it felt like a larger, heavier car. Accord felt more secure on the road. That's just my opinion. Resale is probably better on Accord but we keep cars a long time so not an issue for us. The Max was 12 years old. It was still running well and we got good value when we sold it. But we liked both cars WAYYY better than the Camry we also tried. We agonized a lot over it, but eventually chose Accord.
#3248 of 3640 Re: 2013 Accord EX vs 2013 Altima SV [igozoomzoom]
Apr 27, 2013 (6:20 am)
I like Mazdas too. We didn't look at one because we are hampered by lack of dealer choice and service in our area. It definitely would have been on my list. That was another factor for us. If we move and replace our second car in a few years I will seriously look at a Mazda3.
#3249 of 3640 Re: 2013 Accord EX vs 2013 Altima SV [igozoomzoom]
Apr 27, 2013 (10:11 am)
Both are top safety pick plus rated, but the Accord's score was higher. I noticed the standard screen used for backup camera is bigger and brighter on the Accord than the standard backup monitor screen on the Altima. If you get navigation on the Altima, then the screen size increases. I will have to see this in person to determine if it is a problem.
One advantage of fleet sales is that I will probably be able to rent a 2013 Altima somewhere and drive it for a full day or weekend rather than being limited to a 10 minute test drive of an Accord with salesman riding along.
2014 Mazda6 is not really an option because you cannot get all the features I wanted (for instance, proximity sensor passive keyless entry) unless you get the maxed out top of the line model with leather and the crappy 5 inch TomTom navigation for around $31K.
Mazda6 is also the newest released car, so it may have unknown quality issues since there are not many owner reports from people who have driven them more than a few weeks and a few hundred miles. Also, probably difficult to get good pricing since it was just released and inventories are probably very low.
I'm looking for a car that has every feature I listed with a sales price under $26K after discounting.
I plan to keep the car for around 7-8 years and might buy a factory extended service contract with zero deductible for about long. Toyota, Honda and Nissan are the only car manufacturers I've seen that even offer 8 year zero deductible warranties that cover everything except a small list of exclusions.
I considered the 2013 Dodge Charger SXT V6 8 speed automatic for a day since that vehicle also had the features I wanted within the price rage (after big discounts plus rebates). It looked like a viable option until I looked at Chrysler's pricing for extended coverage and even at these prices, it had $150 deductible per visit. I think it was more than double the cost of the prices I found for even a zero deductible 7 year 100K mile service plan on the Accord and Altima. If there are massive discounts available on the service plans somewhere, I might look at the Charger SXT again. The fact that the Chrysler service plans are so expensive compared to the Japanese brands says alot about how much they predict will need to be spent on repairs during those years.
Chrysler does offer a option of a "Lifetime" unlimited mileage service plan for even more money. I guess they are expecting many people to not get full value out of it because they will sell the car or it will get totaled and the warranty will be lost at that point.
After 7 or 8 years, I'm not sure resale value of an Altima SV vs an Accord EX of the same mileage and condition will be that much different.
Even if the resale value of the Accord is higher after 7 years, that does not make it cost less to own overall unless the difference in resale value is greater than the extra money spent up front on the higher initial purchase price.
I have not driven either yet, so if I hate the way one drives or can't get comfortable in the seats or armrests etc or find some kind of deal-killing shortcoming during the test drive, then I will get the other car. If I like both, it will be mostly about the total cost of ownership over 7 or 8 years.
#3250 of 3640 Re: 2013 Accord EX vs 2013 Altima SV [igozoomzoom]
Apr 27, 2013 (11:00 am)
I just noticed the Tech Package on the Mazda 6 added the smart entry. I thought it was just the nav and you needed a Grand Touring to get smart entry. I don't like the Mazda 6's TomTom-based nav because TomTom map data and routing is poor in the US, plus the Mazda nav has been widely panned for sluggish performance, very limited voice commands and a screen that isn't much bigger than some smart phone screens. I can always simply not use it and use my phone for nav instead as long as the purchase price still fits my budget even including the nav.
So, now I will shop the Mazda also and start monitoring Mazda forums to see what kinds of common problems owners have been having, if any. I like the looks of it anyway.
I'll check on extended warranty costs for the Mazda also. Even if I don't choose to purchase an extended service plan, I will use the service contract pricing to gauge how confident they are about repair costs it will need during the coverage period.
The cheaper the factory backed service contract is with zero deductible, the more likely I will be to buy the car. Less cost and less hassle
of repeated visits to the dealer for repairs covered by warranty or not.
The one thing I don't like about the Mazda 6 with that package is 19 inch wheels. I don't even want 18 inch wheel, much less 19.
It looks good and people buy them for looks without thinking about the consequences.
Much higher tire replacement costs.
Shorter tread life, so you are replacing the tires more often.
More road noise.
Bumpier, rougher ride.
Massive turning radius like a big truck.
Reduced fuel economy.
Increased risk of wheel theft (higher insurance?).
#3251 of 3640 Re: 2013 Accord EX vs 2013 Altima SV [jaxs1]
Apr 27, 2013 (11:27 am)
19" wheels would rule that out for me too. Turning radius on both Accord and Altima is excellent. I don't buy extended warranties so that was not a factor. Our dealership has its own warranty program, a nice plus but that wasn't the reason we chose the Accord.
#3252 of 3640 Re: 2013 Accord EX vs 2013 Altima SV [suydam]
Apr 27, 2013 (12:30 pm)
I was just browsing through a Mazda 6 forum and road noise was a complaint that was listed in a likes and dislikes thread.
If it is noisy enough to comment on, it probably isn't the car for me.
The "base" model Mazda 6 Sport has smaller wheels and may not be so noisy on the road, but it cannot be optioned up to even the level of an Altima SV.
#3253 of 3640 Re: 2013 Accord EX vs 2013 Altima SV [jaxs1]
Apr 27, 2013 (2:11 pm)
The remote starter is another thing that is pushing me towards the Altima. It's not just that it's standard. but it is better integrated.
On the Honda Accord, the dealer will charge about $700 installed AND it requires a separate keyfob to use it. I really don't want to carry 2 fobs for the same car in addition to all the other keys and fobs I need to carry in my pockets. One reason I want push start is so I don't have to worry about the weight of my heavy key ring on the ignition slot.
I see that the estimated 60 month retained value of a 2013 Accord is 46% of MSRP vs about 40% for the Altima. If I pay a lower percentage of MSRP for the Altima and not have to blow $700 on dealer installed remote starter it could easily be a wash or even in favor of the Altima after 7 or 8 years.
I could even get an Altima SV with convenience package and tech package to bump up the backup camera screen to a size closer to the Accord and have the price be around the same as the Accord EX which does not have available nav.
I think the Altima purchased at the right price is going to win on cost even after resale differences. I'll only get the Accord if I like it a lot better and feel like the extra cost is worth it.
#3254 of 3640 PLEASE Read and Comment if you'd like...
Apr 27, 2013 (7:05 pm)
Iím in a bit of an odd situation. A friend of my momís has a 2010 Infiniti G37 Journey 4-door and her lease expires in a few weeks. Initially, I just gave her some recommendations on certain models to check out and a few good lease specials that also might interest her. But now Iím basically her Ďwing maní and I hardly know her. She is a very nice, classy, attractive 60-year old...but sheís also quiet, has aídryí or Ďhard-to-get-to-knowí personality, which freaks me out! My momís personality (and mine) are the polar opposite and neither of us ever meet a stranger (but my mom is a total sweetheart and I can be a real smart-ss)...anyway, the most frustrating part is that she is IMPOSSIBLE to read based on facial expressions and body language. I feel like Agent Boothe trying to communicate with Dr. Brennan on BONES!
But she has been very open and forthcoming in answering all my questions about money and a few delicate questions about her future plans and personal life. Long story short- her husband is a jerk and she is planning to leave him by the end of the year. I needed to determine her current financial situation and how a divorce will affect her cash flow. I also had to figure out if she would be open to some upscale cars that may not have a Ďpremiumí badge on the trunk!
She pays $497/mo for the lease on the 2010 G37. She was expecting it to stay close to same, just not over $500/mo. She cares more about the look, design and function than the brand name, which opens things up! And she drives like a librarian, so she probably has no clue what has been lingering under her left foot for the last 35 months in the G37. So less power is fine also....
Her credit score is in the 780s and she owns a Physical Therapy practice that cleared over $200k last year. So qualifying for top-tier deals should not be an issue.
I had her do some drive-bys to see several models today-
2013 KIA Optima SX-Limited
2014 KIA Sorento SX
2014 Mazda6 i Grand Touring
2014 Mazda CX-5 Touring/GT
2013 Acura TSX 4dr
2013 Acura TL ĎBaseí
2013 Hyundai Sonata
2013 Hyundai Azera
2013 Hyundai Santa Fe (both versions)
2013 Honda Accord EX-L V6 (killer lease deal)
2013 Volvo S60 T5
So....she completed all of her assignments except she didnít make it to the Hyundai dealership. But I was surprised (and impressed) that she took notes on all the others!
She initially loved the Optima SX-L, but the KIA logo was huge and ugly enough to be a deal-breaker! I didnít say a word to influence her opinion before-hand, but the KIA emblem is as huge as a belt-buckle and looks cheap! It ruins otherwise world-class designs...and my mom passed on the 2013 Sorento for the same exact reason, so itís not just me!
The Mazda6 was love at first sight! She liked it better than her Infiniti, any new Infiniti/Lexus/BMW or anything else. She saw it in SOUL RED and (amazingly, considering her personality) would want it in that color! If her, dare I say...enthusiasm, continues after the test drive, we have the front-runner right here! Iím curious to see what the lease payment would be for 36mos on a GT.....
The Acura TSX was acceptable to her, but she thought the TL ĎBaseí was as boring and ugly as the Mazda6 was gorgeous! She also threw me another shocker- she liked the TSX Wagon best of all! Again, I didnít say a word to her, but these are all my opinions as well. The TL ranges from boring to hideous depending upon trim level and I would pay MORE for the TSX before Iíd drive a TL! I have a 2010 TSX V6, so I obviously love them....especially that Wagon!
Honda Accord EX-L V6- kinda plain, but still classy and upscale looking; couldnít find a single exterior color that appealed to her, but maybe she didnít see ALL of them....and for $0 due at lease signing and $380/month for 36 months with 12k miles per year, she could learn to like dishwater-dull beige!
The Volvo S60 T5 was the other near-ringer, 2nd only to the Mazda6. But all three local dealers have them in one of two configurations- Base T5 with no options in Ice White or Black Stone (the non-metallic Ďfreeí colors) OR Premier Plus/Platinum with every option box checked and a $40k sticker price! Leather, moonroof and maybe even metallic paint would do very nicely on the base T5 and keep the price around $33k...but they donít seem to order them that way....
I still want to her to see the Hyundai models, especially the new Azera. I ended up renting one a few weeks ago and, Iím not ashamed to admit, my 38-yr old butt would join AARP right now if theyíd give me one of these! Her only two complaints about the Infiniti are the (too) firm ride and low fuel economy. I was very surprised that the new Azera is NOTHING like the previous Azera! It handled somewhere between an old Buick and a parade float, even bouncing a bit after expansion joints on the freeway....the new car is very comfy, but firm and not floaty at all.
I also want her to see the entry-level Audi models, perhaps the Infiniti CUV models and (even though Iím not a Lexus fan) weíll ride thru the lot and see who falls asleep first from sheer visual boredom!
What else am I missing??? Maybe the Nissan Maxima?
#3255 of 3640 Re: PLEASE Read and Comment if you'd like... [igozoomzoom]
Apr 27, 2013 (7:38 pm)
If she likes bigger cars, then the new 2013 Toyota Avalon drives like a luxury car and is much more sleekly styled than last year's design. She can even get a 40MPG hybrid model.
If she doesn't need a big car, she may like a BMW 320i or 328i or an X1.
If she really likes the Mazda 6 and is not bothered by the road noise on the highway, she could get that and save some money.
She might like the Buick Lacrosse or even a Verano is she doesn't mind smaller cars.
High trim VW Passat or Passat CC can be nice also.