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Chevrolet Malibu, Nissan Maxima, Mazda MAZDA3, Nissan Altima, Honda Accord, Honda Civic, Hyundai Elantra, Lexus IS 250, Acura TSX, Car Comparisons, Sedan
#3242 of 3631 Re: should i lease or buy? [dixonw]
by Kirstie@Edmunds HOST
Apr 26, 2013 (5:39 am)
Hop over to our Acura RDX Prices Paid discussion - you'll get more feedback there. (This discussion is about choosing between sedans.)
#3243 of 3631 2013 Accord EX vs 2013 Altima SV
Apr 26, 2013 (2:20 pm)
I'm looking for a midsized sedan with these features:
Under $26K street price after discounts
Do well in new small overlap crash test
Keyless passive entry and push button start
Rear seat HVAC vents
Bluetooth stereo streaming
Well controlled road and engine noise
Best possible initial quality and lack of interior rattling and squeaking noises
2 cars that seem to best match this are the 2013 Nissan Altima SV and the 2013 Accord EX
Advantages of the Accord.
Small overlap crash test results are better (Good vs Acceptable)
Prefer the looks of Accord inside and out vs Altima (but not by much).
Side view camera is nice.
CVT performance is more responsive
8 way power drivers seat on Accord EX vs 6-way Altima SV
Manufacturer's extended warranties are priced about $350 less for top end 8 years zero deductible option (Lower cost extended warranties imply better expected long term reliability).
Maybe less depreciation (resale value dollar amount will surely be higher, but real depreciation cost depends on initial purchase price).
Advantages of Altima
Pricing is better especially since I can buy an SV without an unwanted bundled moonroof that comes with Accord EX (Accord LX and Sport are missing required features in my list). Lack of moonroof maximizes headroom and eliminates a source of rattles and future repairs).
Remote starter for Altima SV is standard factory installed vs dealer installed at several hundred dollars for the Accord.
Spit fold down rear seat much more convenient than Accord's one piece folding rear seat
Maybe a bit quieter
Maybe front seats a bit more comfortable
Maybe slightly better fuel economy
Automatic backup camera lens washer and blow dryer is nice to clear camera lens when obscured by dirt or raindrops.
Headlights turn on with wipers
Fill tires with air without need of a tire pressure gauge
Nissan more experienced with mass production of CVT
2013 Altima was released many months earlier than the Accord, so more inline fixes have been done and dealers will discount more since it is no longer so new.
Both cars are first year models of new designs and both have had some 1st year issues that are still being worked on (stereo systems that freeze and need the car to be restarted to reset, CVT tuning issues etc). Maybe I should wait for 2014s for either one?
I haven't checked on scheduled maintenance and insurance costs yet, so I don't know if one has an advantage over the other there.
Anyone here have any opinions on these two specific car models against each other?
#3244 of 3631 Re: 2013 Accord EX vs 2013 Altima SV [jaxs1]
Apr 27, 2013 (3:11 am)
We looked at both and eventually bought the Accord. They are wonderful cars and I'm sure we would have been happy with the Altima too. They are so close that I really think it comes down to personal preference and which features matter most to you. For us remote start wasn't as important. We liked that you get the lane watch and right turn camera on the Accord without having to get the nav. We preferred the drive of the accord and the somewhat firmer suspension. The Altima is very noisy when you first start to rev, and after a V6 I felt that would be annoying. Fuel economy is better with Altima though as it is a lighter car. We have friends with Altimas and they are very happy with them.
#3245 of 3631 Re: 2013 Accord EX vs 2013 Altima SV [jaxs1]
Apr 27, 2013 (4:24 am)
Have you driven them both? It's not clear from your post....but I agree with others that this comes down to which you like better. I've always been a Nissan fan from a performance standpoint...but they're really starting to flip over to a Toyota model of bland driving. I've NOT driven the new Accord but have driven a '13 Altima and I felt it was a step backwards from the previous model in terms of sporty/fun driving. The steering is too light but I've read reviews that the Accord steering is light also.
One big issue for me is resale value, which you touched on. I don't know how long you plan to keep this but the Accord will likely not lose as much particularly in the 1-3 year window. Nissan puts a lot of these on the rental lots which is partly responsible for big drops in the first few years. Assuming the Accord continues their historical trend, they usually hold value very well even over the long-term.
#3246 of 3631 Re: 2013 Accord EX vs 2013 Altima SV [jaxs1]
Apr 27, 2013 (6:11 am)
I definitely prefer the 2013 Accord over the 2013 Altima. The Altima is getting blander with each redesign and it kinda feels like itís trying to morph into a Camry! =/
I spent a weekend with a 2014 Accord Sport CVT a few months back (my bro-in-law runs the body shop for a big Honda/Acura dealer and he brought it home for me). Iím still not a CVT fan and I donít think I ever will be, but I must admit that the Honda CVT is light years ahead of Nissan and any other Iíve ever experienced!
Iím just excited that the Accord is a great car again. Iíve owned a few Accords and still have several 2005-2007 models in my family. I despised the 2008 model and it never grew on me. The 2013 feels, sounds and drives like a Honda. Enough said.
In addition to the Accord, you should at least take a drive in the 2014 Mazda6 i Touring! It is a stunning beauty, inside and out. Wardís Automotive just named it to their 10 Best Interiors of the Year and the reviews all seem to range from fantastic to amazing!
Itís performance specs are virtually identical to the Accordís and it has an exceptional 6-speed automatic transmission. The interior looks as upscale and attractive as the outside.
A couple of months ago, I had to take our CX-9 to the dealer to have a headlight assembly replaced under warranty. They offered me a loaner and I asked if I take one of these babies....and they did. It was immensely comfortable, as quiet as my 2012 CX-9 GT (which cost almost $40k) and I was amazed by how responsive the new Skyactiv 2.5L and 6-AT felt. I never felt the need for more power, and I have a heavy foot.
I was especially impressed by the quality of the interior materials and how well it was assembled. It was rock solid, even over moderate bumps or potholes or bad pavement.
The Mazda6 i Touring w/ Touring Tech Package would get you all the features you mentioned above. It would include Push Button Start, Advanced Keyless Entry System, Bluetooth audio and phone connectivity, Rear seat A/C vents and it was a very quiet and smooth ride, even with the gorgeous 19Ē wheels! It also does NOT have a moonroof, which seems to be a plus in your book. The Remote Start feature is a dealer-installed Mazda Accessory feature.
In addition to all that stuff, it also has a lot of other very nice features-
Bose 11-speaker Premium Surround Sound audio system
SIRIUSXM & Pandora capable
Voice Command for Audio & NAV systems
Dual-zone auto climate control (w/ rear vents)
Auto-dimming Rearview mirror w/ Homelink
Driverís side auto-dimming mirror
Heated side mirrors w/ integrated turn signals
And it also has some impressive and useful safety features-
-Blind Spot Monitoring System (Accord EX also has, I think)
-Rear Cross Traffic Alert (for backing out of blind parking spots)
-Rain-sensing automatic wipers
-Smart City Brake Support (SCBS)- under 24mph, it monitors for vehicles or obstacles in front of you, the brakes automatic tighten to provide the shortest stop possible, if no driver action is taken, it will automatically brake and cut engine power to avert or minimize a collision
-E911 automatic emergency notification- in cash of collision or airbag deployment, it will automatically call 911.
There are several other nice touches that also give it a very upscale feel. The steering-wheel, shift handle and parking brake handle are all leather covered, both front visors have auxiliary extensions, front and rear map lights and the center armrest slides to adjust. The power driverís seat is also very comfortable and has manual lumbar adjustment.
According to KBB, it is also the current Resale Value champ. Consumer Reports got 32mpg overall, compared to 31mpg for the Altima and 30mpg for the Accord. IIHS rates it as a ĎTop Safety Pickí slightly ahead of the Altima, if you dig into the numbers. The Mazda6, Accord and Altima are all within a fraction of an inch of each other in every dimension, but the Mazda6 back seat has a longer cushion to make it more comfy.
A Touring w/ the $2k Tech Pkg is currently selling around $25,800 according to TrueCar.com.
I just bought a CPO 2010 Acura TSX V6 a few weeks ago, but I still may end up with a Mazda6 before the year is out. Within the next few months, Mazda is adding a 2.2L turbodiesel to the lineup and, if itís as good as the reports of pre-production models say it is, I may not be able to resist....and I got such a steal on the TSX that I could easily trade it in without losing any money! Then weíd have a CX-9 and Mazda6....time will tell...
#3247 of 3631 Re: 2013 Accord EX vs 2013 Altima SV [sebring95]
Apr 27, 2013 (6:13 am)
Yes, we drove both numerous times. I'm a Nissan fan too. Had a Maxima before. I was surprised, but I think the '13 Altima is more mushy driving than my friend's '10. Although its lighter than the Accord it felt like a larger, heavier car. Accord felt more secure on the road. That's just my opinion. Resale is probably better on Accord but we keep cars a long time so not an issue for us. The Max was 12 years old. It was still running well and we got good value when we sold it. But we liked both cars WAYYY better than the Camry we also tried. We agonized a lot over it, but eventually chose Accord.
#3248 of 3631 Re: 2013 Accord EX vs 2013 Altima SV [igozoomzoom]
Apr 27, 2013 (6:20 am)
I like Mazdas too. We didn't look at one because we are hampered by lack of dealer choice and service in our area. It definitely would have been on my list. That was another factor for us. If we move and replace our second car in a few years I will seriously look at a Mazda3.
#3249 of 3631 Re: 2013 Accord EX vs 2013 Altima SV [igozoomzoom]
Apr 27, 2013 (10:11 am)
Both are top safety pick plus rated, but the Accord's score was higher. I noticed the standard screen used for backup camera is bigger and brighter on the Accord than the standard backup monitor screen on the Altima. If you get navigation on the Altima, then the screen size increases. I will have to see this in person to determine if it is a problem.
One advantage of fleet sales is that I will probably be able to rent a 2013 Altima somewhere and drive it for a full day or weekend rather than being limited to a 10 minute test drive of an Accord with salesman riding along.
2014 Mazda6 is not really an option because you cannot get all the features I wanted (for instance, proximity sensor passive keyless entry) unless you get the maxed out top of the line model with leather and the crappy 5 inch TomTom navigation for around $31K.
Mazda6 is also the newest released car, so it may have unknown quality issues since there are not many owner reports from people who have driven them more than a few weeks and a few hundred miles. Also, probably difficult to get good pricing since it was just released and inventories are probably very low.
I'm looking for a car that has every feature I listed with a sales price under $26K after discounting.
I plan to keep the car for around 7-8 years and might buy a factory extended service contract with zero deductible for about long. Toyota, Honda and Nissan are the only car manufacturers I've seen that even offer 8 year zero deductible warranties that cover everything except a small list of exclusions.
I considered the 2013 Dodge Charger SXT V6 8 speed automatic for a day since that vehicle also had the features I wanted within the price rage (after big discounts plus rebates). It looked like a viable option until I looked at Chrysler's pricing for extended coverage and even at these prices, it had $150 deductible per visit. I think it was more than double the cost of the prices I found for even a zero deductible 7 year 100K mile service plan on the Accord and Altima. If there are massive discounts available on the service plans somewhere, I might look at the Charger SXT again. The fact that the Chrysler service plans are so expensive compared to the Japanese brands says alot about how much they predict will need to be spent on repairs during those years.
Chrysler does offer a option of a "Lifetime" unlimited mileage service plan for even more money. I guess they are expecting many people to not get full value out of it because they will sell the car or it will get totaled and the warranty will be lost at that point.
After 7 or 8 years, I'm not sure resale value of an Altima SV vs an Accord EX of the same mileage and condition will be that much different.
Even if the resale value of the Accord is higher after 7 years, that does not make it cost less to own overall unless the difference in resale value is greater than the extra money spent up front on the higher initial purchase price.
I have not driven either yet, so if I hate the way one drives or can't get comfortable in the seats or armrests etc or find some kind of deal-killing shortcoming during the test drive, then I will get the other car. If I like both, it will be mostly about the total cost of ownership over 7 or 8 years.
#3250 of 3631 Re: 2013 Accord EX vs 2013 Altima SV [igozoomzoom]
Apr 27, 2013 (11:00 am)
I just noticed the Tech Package on the Mazda 6 added the smart entry. I thought it was just the nav and you needed a Grand Touring to get smart entry. I don't like the Mazda 6's TomTom-based nav because TomTom map data and routing is poor in the US, plus the Mazda nav has been widely panned for sluggish performance, very limited voice commands and a screen that isn't much bigger than some smart phone screens. I can always simply not use it and use my phone for nav instead as long as the purchase price still fits my budget even including the nav.
So, now I will shop the Mazda also and start monitoring Mazda forums to see what kinds of common problems owners have been having, if any. I like the looks of it anyway.
I'll check on extended warranty costs for the Mazda also. Even if I don't choose to purchase an extended service plan, I will use the service contract pricing to gauge how confident they are about repair costs it will need during the coverage period.
The cheaper the factory backed service contract is with zero deductible, the more likely I will be to buy the car. Less cost and less hassle
of repeated visits to the dealer for repairs covered by warranty or not.
The one thing I don't like about the Mazda 6 with that package is 19 inch wheels. I don't even want 18 inch wheel, much less 19.
It looks good and people buy them for looks without thinking about the consequences.
Much higher tire replacement costs.
Shorter tread life, so you are replacing the tires more often.
More road noise.
Bumpier, rougher ride.
Massive turning radius like a big truck.
Reduced fuel economy.
Increased risk of wheel theft (higher insurance?).
#3251 of 3631 Re: 2013 Accord EX vs 2013 Altima SV [jaxs1]
Apr 27, 2013 (11:27 am)
19" wheels would rule that out for me too. Turning radius on both Accord and Altima is excellent. I don't buy extended warranties so that was not a factor. Our dealership has its own warranty program, a nice plus but that wasn't the reason we chose the Accord.