Last post on Dec 08, 2013 at 7:13 PM
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Chevrolet Malibu, Nissan Maxima, Mazda MAZDA3, Nissan Altima, Honda Accord, Honda Civic, Hyundai Elantra, Lexus IS 250, Acura TSX, Car Comparisons, Sedan
#3170 of 3640 Re: Honda Civic used vs Ford Focus new [skyl1]
Mar 25, 2013 (7:39 pm)
First decide how much you really want to spend. Big difference between $9000 and $17,500. Then decide if a high-miles older Civic or a new Focus are the only cars you'd want to buy to replace your Acura. There's a LOT of good cars available for under $17,500... e.g. 2010-11 Civics with low miles, some CPO cars. And 2007-10 Accords with low to middling mileage. Or how about this... 2005 TSX, 74k miles, under $13k + TTL? Those are all in my area; YMMV.
#3171 of 3640 Re: Honda Civic used vs Ford Focus new [skyl1]
Mar 25, 2013 (11:14 pm)
You like Civics. That's good. And you like high MPG cars. Great.
There is a Civic for you that does all of that and averages about 60-70mpg. The trick is that it runs on CNG, which sells for half the price of gasoline, or sometimes a bit less. So the equivalent MPG our of your pocket at the end of the day is about 60-70mpg. When you can get CNG for under $2 a gallon equivalent, and it fills just as fast as a gas pump, it's really an awesome deal for someone who commutes every day.
You will have to search around to see if there's a filling option in your area (usually at municipal yards, which by law have to allow the public to also fill there, though it's not always the cheapest place). As a bonus, the cars also get carpool access pretty much forever as they are true alternate fuel vehicles.
The cars also pollute so little that it's hard to actually measure it with a smog test. In some cases, the air is actually cleaner than the local pollution. Also, the cars last forever due to there being virtually no grime when it burns (oil looks like new when changed, almost)
You can also get a device for about $3000 or so that fills it overnight in your garage. So you become your own gas station and pay about 1/3 of the price of gasoline.
The downsides are two. One, it has a 200 mile range between fills. And the trunk is 1/3 the normal size as the tank's back there. Used, they run about 10-15K and are right in your price range.
#3172 of 3640 Re: Honda Civic used vs Ford Focus new [skyl1]
Mar 26, 2013 (2:29 am)
Why limit your choices to just three cars? If you like the Civic, why not pay a little more and get a newer CPO model with lower miles? Maybe a 2009 or 2010? Not as much $$ as a new one but you will be spending less on repairs than with an older Civic. Whatever you choose, make sure to have any used car checked out by a mechanic before you buy.
#3173 of 3640 Re: Honda Civic used vs Ford Focus new [suydam]
Mar 26, 2013 (7:44 am)
I'd like to add that I have a relative that has a CNG Civic and commutes 40 miles each way every day to work. He puts about 20K a year on it and calculates that he spends about $1300-$1500 a year in fuel. In the 8 years that he's owned it, he figures he's saved well over $10,000 in fuel.
It drives exactly like a normal Civic, other than having half the range between fills and a much smaller trunk.(about the size of the trunk in a Mini - not useless, just smaller)
#3174 of 3640 Re: Honda Civic used vs Ford Focus new [plekto]
Mar 26, 2013 (9:34 am)
This is not a practical choice for most people. The poster asked about two specific vehicles that both use gasoline. You made your point. Now move on.
#3175 of 3640 Re: Honda Civic used vs Ford Focus new [skyl1]
by Kirstie@Edmunds HOST
Mar 26, 2013 (9:47 am)
It sounds like you're leaning toward the 05 Civic because it is easier on your budget, at least initially. Nothing wrong with that, and I chose that option recently myself (used vehicle at a much lower price). However, as others have mentioned, you'll want to have it checked out by a mechanic prior to purchase. While Civics are generally reliable, that can vary greatly depending on how well it was maintained, and you'll want to know going into the purchase whether there are any obvious pending maintenance or repairs that need to be done.
If the Focus is going to stretch your budget right now, it's probably not worth it. I'd buy used, then sock away as much money as you can to help with a downpayment on a new vehicle in a few years.
I'd avoid the Civic Hybrid, personally. We've seen lots of reports about issues with the IMA battery on that model, and some owners have experienced a rather drastic reduction in MPG - if that happens, you won't reap the savings on fuel that you would hope to with a hybrid.
Just on person's opinion!
#3176 of 3640 Re: Honda Civic used vs Ford Focus new [skyl1]
Mar 26, 2013 (10:51 am)
I found one more which looks to be in my price range, and is newer than the 05' yet has fewer miles than the Hybrid.
2009 Honda Civic LX with 76663 miles
Here's the Carfax
I do like the idea of getting something relatively newer so that it won't have as many issues, do you think this might fit the bill?
Thank you all for your responses so far!
#3177 of 3640 Re: Honda Civic used vs Ford Focus new [skyl1]
by Kirstie@Edmunds HOST
Mar 26, 2013 (11:08 am)
Well, the EX you linked earlier has an automatic transmission and is a sedan. The LX you linked to has manual transmission and is a coupe.
The 2009 is obviously going to have some more modern features, like MP3 input and keyless entry. If the manual vs. automatic and coupe vs. sedan difference isn't important to you, then the LX looks like a better deal for you. High miles for its age, but the Carfax shows that it at least had regular maintenance performed.
#3178 of 3640 Re: Honda Civic used vs Ford Focus new [kirstie_h]
Mar 26, 2013 (11:25 am)
The MT is the way to go on a Civic, for fun and economy, if you can drive a stick.
Also the 2009 is safer (standard curtain airbags, better crash worthiness) than the 2005, which was an older generation).
Mar 26, 2013 (7:50 pm)
I'm in the market for a new vehicle. I have no real preferences other than:
no convertibles, trucks, SUVs, coupes
Leaning to mid/full size sedan, crossover, hatchback.
I was a "lay down" last time I bought, but I'm here to learn.
I really like cars with convenient tech.
The Fusion Titanium is a front runner, there's also Accord EX-L w/Navi
Altima was, but I read about major issues with them. I've considered an Optima as well.
I believe that I would fit into the "well qualified lessee" category finally, so that option is on the table and it could put me into more car than I've considered.
Thursday I am going to drive a Fusion and Accord again. Any others I should add to Thursday plan? Plan is to try and negotiate a good price Friday due to EOM.