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#2499 of 3631 Honda Accord 2012 vs Acura TSX 2009 vs Lexus IS250 2008? (Sort of Urgent)
Nov 23, 2011 (11:35 am)
Hi guys, first post on the forum, had a question to throw at the real car enthusiasts.
I'm 17, a junior in high school, and am getting my first car. I live in Southern Ohio.
My 'dilemma'. My parents said they would get my a car under about 23,000 with a little wiggle room here and there. They would love for me to get a Honda Accord (sedan), 2012. However, I want to make sure its my best option.
They also like the 2012 new CRV but I want to stick with a 4 door sedan.
After my own research these seem like the best options:
2012 HONDA ACCORD: Our neighbor works for Honda and said he can get us a deal if we buy a Honda, so the I would be able to get the Accord at a reduced rate, probably 8-12% off the sticker price, so that means the EX-L line would fall into this category, but the V6 or navigation systems would still be too much. I like the Accord, its looks aren't awful but don't wow or turn heads. Its drive is smooth but its not really a performance car or anything, even with the 190hp.
2009-10 ACURA TSX: I like the TSX a lot, as in its body design is aggressive without being over the top and flashy. It's a bit smaller than the Accord so it should get more pep to its drive and be able to park better, right? Its got a 201 hp (once again, v6 would be too much $) and I think that should perform better than the Accord's. The interior of an 09 is almost comparable to the Accord ex-l so I don't feel like I'm losing much. From my research, it would still be sub 24k if I was to take a no tech package, or with serious haggling I could get it.
2008 LEXUS IS250: The 250 seems to the funnest to drive, without giving up any real safety or usability features. Considering I'll be in college soon, i don't see the need for a large back seat, by the time I have any sort of family this car will be 200k miles an ready for retirement (at the least!). The v6 engine seems to be a nice feature as well. As far as the interior goes, its a bit smaller than the accord and tsx but has the same major features, leather seats, steering wheel mounted controls, heated seats etc. Correct me if I'm wrong.
My main problem is this:
This is the only car my parents will pay for, after this, it's all my own hard earned cash. That being said, I want this to be a car that can last me through the next two years of high school, and if needed, in college and definitely out of college. Having a neighbor with Honda, I think I would be able to get better maintainability and of course, better pricing on a new Accord. It would also have 0 miles on it.
The TSX, judging by autotrader.com's prices would have about 15-20k miles and the Lexus, 30-35k. They would also be a few years old, 3 and 4 respectively. Should I just stick with the Accord? I would prefer driving the Lexus, or even TSX but is it worth having a 30k 4 year old car right off the bat?
Any input would be greatly appreciated, and thanks for anyone who even took the time to read all of that!
#2500 of 3631 Re: Honda Accord 2012 vs Acura TSX 2009 vs Lexus IS250 2008? (Sort of Urgent) [halflegend]
Nov 24, 2011 (6:47 am)
A new Honda will have a 3-year warranty that neither of your other options will have, plus you will know the history of the car since you will have owned it since new. Hondas are fun to drive as long as you realize that the Honda is not & will never be a hot rod or rice rocket. You may like the looks of an Accord coupe over the sedan--be sure to check that out.
That said, do yourself a big favor and DO NOT buy a Honda with a V6 (with automatic), as the VCM system on Honda's V6 engines is really poor technology and will give you much more grief & frustration than the 4 cylinder.
#2501 of 3631 Re: Honda Accord 2012 vs Acura TSX 2009 vs Lexus IS250 2008? (Sort of Urgent) [halflegend]
Nov 24, 2011 (7:35 am)
My advice to you (even though you probably don't want to hear it as I wouldn't at your age) is to get something a bit older as you will likely dent the heck out of it by you or someone else. Unless your parents are super rich, you are better saving that money for a nice car when you graduate college.
I would suggest going for a 06 or 07 Accord as it will probably be the least cost on your parents and insurance (and IMO is a better car overall compared to the current generation)
Oh and your friend who works for Honda may not be getting the best deal around so it is best to find out the price and check around dealers first.
I'll be honest with the current generation Accord, the seats suck. They hurt my back on long trips. The interior has too many buttons. And while they fixed the rear pads I am not sure how much extended life you will get out them. When my sister had her 08, I was replacing the pads every 15k miles. Luckily I do them myself so I only pay $50 for the pads while others pay $150-200 for a dealer to do them.
She ended up with most of the TSBs published and had two failed door actuators (search the web for these) before 40k miles. She was fed up with all of the minor problems and traded it in for a 09 Altima. The car has 50k miles, just replaced both sets of pads, and only had one blown fuse (probably overloaded the accessory socket). The car was night and day compared to her Accord.
We have had Hondas in our family for over 14 years. We need a new car and it won't be an Accord.
#2502 of 3631 Re: Honda Accord 2012 vs Acura TSX 2009 vs Lexus IS250 2008? (Sort of Urgent) [halflegend]
Nov 24, 2011 (9:07 am)
First, you should realize how lucky you are to have parents who would buy you such a nice car while you are still in high school. Be thankful for that (especially today) and tell them "Thank you!" and give them a big hug. Then honor them and their generosity by taking very good care of the car and driving it safely.
As to the car... I think you realize the Accord is the most Practical choice, and the Lexus is the most Fun choice. The TSX splits the difference. You could get an Acura Certified TSX, or a Lexus Certified IS, and have the factory warranty. One thing I encourage you to check out is an Acura Certified 2008 TSX. That is the last year of the previous design but they are considered by many to be superior to the current design, and it will cost far less than $23k. So you could get a top-notch sample with lowest possible miles and save your parents some bucks, which they could apply to your auto insurance (which will be a LOT for the next few years). I think you would enjoy driving the TSX more than the Accord, and it's more compact than the Accord thus easier to park in crowded school parking lots.
That's how I would go if it were my choice between these 3 cars. (If it were really my choice, I'd ask my parents to let me consider a hatchback because of its practicality for to/from college, e.g. Focus or Mazda3, also its fuel efficiency. They might compliment you on your practicality.). In fact, I will be making that choice in the next year or so--buy a new compact car ala Focus for around $18k, or buy a 2008 TSX.
Nov 24, 2011 (1:43 pm)
..and, it sort of is... I have a 17 yr old...
I'd buy an $8000 car now, and ask them to hold the other $15K for when you get out of college... Buying a new car will be a waste.. your warranty will expire in three years, with very little mileage driven. For the mileage that a typical teenager drives, you could buy a 6 year old sedan, and it should keep you through college...
When you get your first job out of college, then you can sell your heap, add the $15K, take a small loan, and have a new car that will be serviceable as long as you need it, or until you can afford a newer/better model.. at a time, when you'll really need a new car, and most new graduates can't afford it..
My son drives 2 miles each way to school... wouldn't waste a new car on that commute, even if I were willing to buy him a new car (which I'm not).
Where do you have to go in Chillicothe? (or Jackson, Portsmouth, Ironton, etc..)
#2504 of 3631 Re: If it were me.. [kyfdx]
Nov 24, 2011 (4:36 pm)
The problem with that idea is, there's very little in the way of a good sedan from 2005 or newer under $8,000. I just did a search within 30 miles of me for sedans with those qualifications and under 100k miles. I found 3: a 2006 Sentra S with 77k miles (good little car, economical at least), a 2005 Impala with 83k miles, and a 2007 Saturn Ion with 95k miles. That's it. There may be others out there, but the fact is $8,000 doesn't buy much of a car anymore.
I have a feeling these parents aren't struggling financially. If they were, I'd agree that it's better to buy a cheap car now. But if the parents want to give their son a nice car... what's it to us? Then the car will be usable all the way through college and for a few years after college. And we know not everyone gets a great job right out of college, so it's good to have a solid car that's paid for when exiting college.
#2505 of 3631 Re: If it were me.. [backy]
by kyfdx@Edmunds HOST
Nov 25, 2011 (4:29 am)
I don't see his parents finances entering into the decision...
They are willing to spend $23K.... and, likely won't spend any more for his automobile needs.... ever.
So, my advice was what would be best financially for him. (IMO, of course).. He only gets the $23K, one time... I wouldn't spend it all now..
Most good $8000 cars aren't on autotrader... you buy them from friends or neighbors.. Every teenager on my street has a sub-$8000 car. It's just a waste of resources to buy an expensive car for the driving needs of a high school student.. If I had those same driving needs, I wouldn't buy a new car for myself...
#2506 of 3631 Re: If it were me.. [backy]
Nov 25, 2011 (7:02 am)
Why does it have to be 2005+?
#2507 of 3631 Re: If it were me.. [backy]
Nov 25, 2011 (8:02 am)
Our HOST gave you the best advice in my opinion.
For under 10,000 you can buy a great used car. So what if it's out of warranty? If something breaks, just have it fixed.
Take the extra 15,000 and invest it somewhere and watch it grow.
As far as a V-6 Accord. they are NOT troublesome cars just totally unnecessary. The 4's have more than ample power.
Civic or Accord, You can't go wrong! If you do go used just make sure it gets a total inspection.
Probably not what you wanted to hear, I know!
#2508 of 3631 Re: If it were me.. [qbrozen]
Nov 25, 2011 (11:39 am)
It doesn't... but see the post I replied to.