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Chevrolet Malibu, Nissan Maxima, Mazda MAZDA3, Nissan Altima, Honda Accord, Honda Civic, Hyundai Elantra, Lexus IS 250, Acura TSX, Car Comparisons, Sedan
#2281 of 3640 Re: Sedans Galore! [plekto]
Jun 03, 2011 (8:07 pm)
The IS might be a good choice if rear seat room is not important at all. But I wouldn't go back to 2004 if I didn't have to. Low-mileage Acura-certified 2008 TSXes can be had for well under $23k. Blast to drive and good fuel economy with the I4. In my area, you can't get a G37 for under $23k. But the G35 is a nice car also--more powerful than the IS or TSX, but not as economical either.
#2282 of 3640 Re: Sedans Galore! [backy]
Jun 04, 2011 (12:44 am)
The IS series is worlds better than the TSX. Remember, the TSX you'd be looking at is the last generation if you want to stay in your price range. It's basically a fancied-up Civic. Compare that to even the IS250 with a good 6 cylinder engine and RWD, and it's simply no contest. Even the new TSX, while it drives fine, is so boring that it makes me want to cry compared to a RX8, IS, Mercedes C class, a CTS, (and so on).
So what is the third best car GM ever made?
2004 was also a magic year for GM - the Holden Monaro made its way to the U.S. as the Pontiac GTO. If you get manual with it, that year only will give you:
- A 350HP LS1 Corvette engine. Same 6 speed gearbox as well.
- 29 mpg highway (25 combined is possible wit a light foot - and with 350hp, you don't need to stomp on the gas hard)
EPA city estimate: 17 mpg. EPA highway estimate: 29 mpg (original sticker).
- A 0-60 time of 5.3 seconds (!) 1/4 mile in under 14 seconds and at over 100mph. It's the real deal.
- A slalom speed of 63.4mph. A G37 does it at 66.4mph for reference - it's no straight-line boat by a long shot. The *new* TSX? 54.9mph. FWD rears its ugly head since you can't really defeat physics.
If you care even the least bit about handling, you want RWD. And, no, RWD isn't a disaster like the nannys want you to believe. They get serious snow in Germany and you don't hear news articles about Mercedes and BMWs flying off the roads in winter.
Many owners who have a GTO obsess over theirs and treat it like an instant classic, or add some tweaks and upgrades to it, so finding a cherry example is actually quite easy. Same as say, with a Porsche - the ones that are beaters are instantly obvious and the collectors are also easy to identify. You won't even pay $15K, either, which will give you a lot of extra money for upkeep and potential upgrades. (dual exhaust is the obvious first mod).
The 2005+ and all automatic models suffer 4-5mpg worse due to a 400HP engine that's tuned for raw speed versus smoothness and low-end torque. I'd get a 2004 GTO in a heartbeat. Where else will you get muscle car performance and 30mpg on the highway? Well, other than the new Mustang, that is - but the GTO has a nicer interior than the Ford. Ford somehow still can't make a good interior on most of its cars.
Jun 04, 2011 (6:04 am)
Wow, thanks for the helpful reply guys, keep em coming!
So I think I am leaning towards a 2008 Acura TSX or TL
with the sad, boring Accord or Camry has backup options
Of the other cars mentioned, the Infinitis (G35/37) might be a little too pricy for me in this area
Not particularly interested in driving a 2008 CTS, 2012 Mustang or 2012 RX8
That being said, the other 2 that have surged to the top of my list are the 2004 Pontiac GTO and the 2004 Lexus IS300! Definitely nice to hear all those exciting things about them and they are available at very affordable prices in my area! I'm leaning toward the GTO because I have not been able to find any IS300's with reasonable mileages on them, I've actually found a couple of GTO's with lower mileage than the TSX's or TL's I was considering! Inclined to bump the GTO/IS300 pairing above Accord/Camry at this point, I'm not sure if I can bring myself to bump them above the 2008 TSX/TL as I just have reservations about buying something so old. That being said, I certainly will test drive all these over the coming weeks.
Thanks again for all the advice and keep it rolling in, would definitely like to shop around with as much advice and recommendations as possible!
#2284 of 3640 Re: Sedans Galore! [plekto]
Jun 04, 2011 (8:41 am)
Owning a GTO and driving it with a light foot is something of an oxymoron, isn't it?
BTW, the EPA fuel economy rating of the 2004 GTO with MT is only 19 mpg combined (16/26).
#2285 of 3640 Re: Sedans Galore! [plekto]
Jun 04, 2011 (1:44 pm)
It's basically a fancied-up Civic.
That is like saying the IS is a fancied up Corolla.
#2286 of 3640 Re: Sedans Galore! [biker4]
Jun 04, 2011 (3:20 pm)
Technically, a fancied-up 1983 Corolla... before it went to FWD.
#2287 of 3640 Re: Sedans Galore! [backy]
Jun 04, 2011 (4:17 pm)
Well, that's after the EPA decided to apply its one size fits all formula to older ratings. The original sticker said 17/29. We all know that with cruise control on, you can get slightly over the EPA highway ratings. From what people are reporting, it gets 1mpg or so less overall MPG as a typical large sedan like a Camry V6 or Buick.
The reason is that the 6th gear is a really high overdrive. 65mph is close to 1700-1800rpm. If you are patient and slowly let rev up and down in 6th, you'll get very good MPG. Well, relatively speaking, that is.
The IS300 gets about the same MPG combined.
#2288 of 3640 Re: Sedans Galore! [plekto]
Jun 04, 2011 (7:42 pm)
Yes, it does. Yet another reason to go for the TSX... 23 mpg EPA combined, under the new scale. 5 mpg (28%) better than the IS300. In these days of $4 a gallon gas, that's a significant difference.
Let me know the next time you see a GTO driver "slowly let rev up and down".
#2289 of 3640 Re: Sedans Galore! [backy]
Jun 04, 2011 (9:54 pm)
Well with 300HP and about the same in lb-ft of torque, only idiots hammer the gas pedal in city traffic. With a manual and a lead foot, I can make a Civic get 15mpg city as well.
#2290 of 3640 Re: Sedans Galore! [plekto]
Jun 05, 2011 (7:41 am)
Only if you siphon gas out of it regularly. Not even the racer boys at C/D can make a Civic get only 15 mpg, and they have pedal to the metal constantly.