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#1794 of 1951
Re: Confused [bobgwtw] by backy
Mar 22, 2009 (4:49 pm)
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Replying to: bobgwtw (Mar 22, 2009 4:26 pm)

Check Consumer Reports, J.D. Powers, the posts at Edmunds & you'll see that the VW/Audi product is near the bottom of everyone's list when it comes to reliability.
 
CR recommends the Jetta and Rabbit (i.e. the VWs we are discussing here). They don't recommend cars that have poor reliability as determined by their surveys.
 
Also we aren't talking about the TDI here. And $450 is not unusual for a major service interval done by a dealership these days... sad but true. Another way to state your friend's experience is that he paid $450 for maintenance over the first 40k miles. I don't think that's bad at all.
#1795 of 1951
Re: Confused [bobgwtw] by qbrozen
Mar 23, 2009 (10:12 am)
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Replying to: bobgwtw (Mar 22, 2009 4:26 pm)

then he took it in for routine 40,000 mile service & got hit with a bill for over $450.00!
 
Hardly out of the ordinary and hardly a measure of a car's maintenance costs. Problem is that alot of folks fall for the "scheduled maintenance" chart provided by the dealer rather than the manufacturer. You would be shocked if you saw the chart provided me by my Honda dealer. If I followed it, I would have been out somewhere around $750 before hitting 40k miles.
#1796 of 1951
2009 Mazda 3 S Sport vs 2009 VW Jetta S CA edition by sarahblais
Mar 23, 2009 (1:10 pm)
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After looking at several compact sedans, I think I've narrowed my choices down to a 2009 Mazda 3 S Sport or 2009 VW Jetta S California edition (automatic transmission.) Both seems similarly priced around $16,500 (not including taxes and fees.) The warranties are also similar. VW also includes 3 years scheduled maintainence. But I'm concerned after hearing about some issues the reliabiltiy of VW...
The Mazda 3 price is through their S-Plan Pricing, so I'm assuming it can't go much lower. Is $16,500 + taxes and fees a good price on a VW Jetta S (the sticker price was $18,400.)
Any input or suggestions?
#1797 of 1951
Re: 2009 Honda Accord vs 2009 Camry [anthony22] by clarencehollow
Mar 24, 2009 (1:01 pm)
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Replying to: anthony22 (Mar 08, 2009 9:25 am)

You might as well look at the Altima too. It's Consumer Reports #1 car, and gets better fuel economy than the Accord and Camry. In fact, it's more car for less money. Drive it, and you might like it. A LOT!
#1798 of 1951
Re: 2009 Honda Accord vs 2009 Camry [clarencehollow] by backy
Mar 24, 2009 (1:39 pm)
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Replying to: clarencehollow (Mar 24, 2009 1:01 pm)

It's misleading to call the Altima "Consumer Reports' #1 car." The only"#1" thing about the Altima related to CR is that CR has the Altima 3.5SE ranked at the top of its "Family Sedans" grouping at this time, one point above the Accord EX-L and two points above the Camry XLE. But... for CR's Entry-Level Family Sedans category, (i.e. under $25k), the Accord LX-P (MT) edges out the Altima 2.5S by 3 points. More significantly, when it came to picking the overall best Family Sedan, in CR's "Top Picks", they chose the Accord over the Altima--mainly because the Accord has standard electronic stability control, which is hard to find (or not available) on most Altimas.
 
But that being said, the Altima is worth a look... as long as ESC is not important to you.
#1799 of 1951
Re: Confused [backy] by bobgwtw
Mar 24, 2009 (7:47 pm)
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Replying to: backy (Mar 22, 2009 4:49 pm)

I understand that CR has a buy rating for the Jetta. But that doesn't change the maintenance costs.
 
As for what constitutes reasonable maintenance costs we'll just have to respectfully disagree. In the first 40,000 miles on my 06 Avalon total routine maintenance was approximately $265.00 (8 oil/filter changes & an air filter.) Recently had the 120,000 mile maintenance done & it came to $495.00. Compare that to the 110,000 mile maintenance cost on a TDI or Jetta.
#1800 of 1951
Re: Confused [qbrozen] by bobgwtw
Mar 24, 2009 (7:56 pm)
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Replying to: qbrozen (Mar 23, 2009 10:12 am)

Right on. If you don't insist that your service provider - & I include some independents - provide only what's required by the Mfr. you're going to be taken for a very expensive ride. You need to be familiar with your car's service requirements because the dealer sure isn't going to volunteer this information.
#1801 of 1951
Re: 2009 Honda Accord vs 2009 Camry [clarencehollow] by thegraduate
Mar 24, 2009 (8:13 pm)
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Replying to: clarencehollow (Mar 24, 2009 1:01 pm)

I found it tough to get an Altima equipped how I'd want without spending more than the competition when comparably equipped. To get certain features, you pay for expensive packages. Hopefully you can find what you want, otherwise, your getting more features for more money.
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Don't know where to start by macmacmoo
Mar 25, 2009 (7:00 pm)
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DH and I want to buy a minivan. now it's up for grabs on whether we really need one or not, DS was born recently and we are sort of musing over having another DC in the next year. DH is currently deployed. when he get back in May we get to move from Atlanta to Seattle. We currently have a Honda Civic and a Saturn SL2 both are 2002's or is it 2003... anywho the thing that is given us the most want for getting a minivan now instead of later is the thought of moving cross crountry in a sedan. granted all our stuff will be going by way of moving van. its just the getting of DH, DS, and I to the other side of continent that is a little concerning. if we buy a van we will sell DH's saturn
  
Anywho we have been setting aside money to go towards a minivan for a little since it is something we knew we wanted to get at some point. basically since both out current cars are paid off we been putting aside $300 a month to "pretend" we have a payment and eventually use to go towards a down payment.
  
So I suppose the first question I have is when to buy? DH gave me the ability to be able to buy without him and all trusting my judgement and all. I'm okay with that but i prefer not to. Or do I wait till he get back and we try to do it during the two we have in atlanta before we actually move? or do we suck it up and just wait till we get to seattle... or do we just flat out don't get a mini van?
  
The next question is if we get one which one? Our biggest thing is Safety. but after that we don't really know. I suppose cost would be next. we are looking at $300 a month payment... $350 if we really really had to... We are leaning towards new and perhaps a Toyota, Honda, Kia, Hyuandai or Nissian. I'd like some comforts: power seat controls, tinted back windows, nothing too fancy. We aren't really fans of the wood looking stuff and prefer cloths seats to what ever the other thing is lol.
  
hmmms not sure what else i can add... but yelp!
#1803 of 1951
Re: Confused [bobgwtw] by backy
Mar 25, 2009 (7:03 pm)
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Replying to: bobgwtw (Mar 24, 2009 7:47 pm)

Yes, I guess we'll have to disagree. But I think we should be comparing apples to apples, e.g. a gas engine Jetta to similar gas engine cars, not a TDI to other gas engine cars.
 
Reviewing the maintenance schedule for my Jetta 2.0 (gas), I don't see much in the way of pricey maintenance needed for well past 50k miles. For example, only one oil change is spec'd every 10k miles. Even if it's synthetic (not required for my car but a good idea), it's not much money. I plan on changing the oil on mine every 5k miles because I put less than 10k miles a year on the car. And I see inspections but not a lot of parts replacements. If a VW dealer charges too much for such basic maintenance, do it yourself (e.g. oil changes and filters) if so inclined, or find some other place to get the work done.

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