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#190 of 464 Re: Crash Test Dummies? The Impact of Televised Automotive Crash Tests [spectraman]
Dec 29, 2004 (3:47 pm)
Yes, and we all know that the Cigarette-Smoking Man killed JFK, not Lee Harvey Oswald.
Re-read the IIHS' press release. Note how little extra attention they give the Spectra's results. The headline doesn't scream, "Kia Spectra rated Poor on latest IIHS tests!" They talk all about how well the Mazda 3 and Elantra did before they give the details on the Spectra.
Also look at some of the other recent press releases from the IIHS and you'll notice they don't over-emphasize "Poor" ratings, but also don't avoid pinning them on the "big boys" of the auto industry, e.g. the "Poor" rating they assigned the Ford Escape w/o side airbags, in the side impact crash test.
The facts are that the Spectra is much less safe than its competitors, and I need to get over it. 'Nuff said. Agreed.
That's 2001, not 1991, for the last "Poor" rating on the frontal offset crash test.
#192 of 464 Re: Crash Test Dummies? The Impact of Televised Automotive Crash Tests [backy]
Dec 29, 2004 (3:52 pm)
"The headline doesn't scream, "Kia Spectra rated Poor on latest IIHS tests!"
I don't have a printed copy of the "report" in front of me, BUT you can't say that IIHS isn't making some "hay" with this story. Just go to their website ( http://www.iihs.org ) and look in the upper right-hand corner of their homepage! The word 'Kia' isn't there, but there's definitely some "light yelling" going on in this graphic!
Here's the a link to the graphic that's there:
Me thinks that graphic ALONE negates your stance to some degree.
-S(moking)M(an) Heh heh heh.
( I just noticed the coincidence! )
#193 of 464 Re: mpalmer [lngtonge18]
Dec 29, 2004 (4:01 pm)
Ingtonge18, no, I don't need to be better informed because I wouldn't buy one of these cars either. They may have been rated good overall,but the injury measures are what's important concerning this issue.
Ingtonge18 says: "So the Infiniti is a darn safe car but you still have a higher chance of whacking your head on the steering wheel." You use the term "whacking your head" rather loosely. How about "broken jaw" or WORSE. Yes, the G35 is scary after reading the test results, and I would opt for something safer. But if you want to buy one, go ahead...
#194 of 464 Re: Crash Test Dummies? The Impact of Televised Automotive Crash Tests [spectraman]
Dec 29, 2004 (4:02 pm)
Are you saying that a car scoring the first "poor" in a frontal offset crash test in over three years is not newsworthy? People tend to play up bad news vs. good news; e.g., notice how many headlines lately did NOT say, "Hundreds of millions of people are safe after tsunami strikes Indian Ocean." That's not a conspiracy, that's current journalistic practice, whether we like it or not.
#195 of 464 Re: mpalmer [lngtonge18]
Dec 29, 2004 (4:05 pm)
Intongue says: "We have been seeing more of this since the reduced power airbags came out."
Why don't they just FIX THE PROBLEM. a novel idea, isn't it?
#196 of 464 They don't fix that problem because
Dec 29, 2004 (6:25 pm)
the old speed airbags would actually cause more injuries because they overdid it. I think that Kia ought to go back and make a retrofit to the frontal airbags and/or the seatbelt pretensioners and test it until it works correctly. Look at it as a challenge and fix it. With all of the publicity it would help them in the long run(not to mention the people it might help who have already bought a new world order Spectra or who intend to buy one). I'd love to hear from Kia Motors in South Korea on this issue, eh?
#197 of 464 Saab also fires side air bags (like Nissan) during frontal collisions
Jan 01, 2005 (8:35 pm)
More evidence that KIA needs to fire the side airbags simultaneously with the front ones to help alleviate the head-into-the-B-pillar issue.
Here's a snippet from the IIHS review of the Saab 9-3 that received major safety kudos:
RESTRAINTS/DUMMY KINEMATICS: GOOD Dummy movement was well controlled. The side curtain airbags deployed, as intended by Saab (even for frontal impacts). After the dummy moved forward into the frontal airbag, its head brushed the side airbag and its fabric cover. The dummy continued to rebound into the seat without its head coming close to any stiff structure that could cause injury.
Jan 02, 2005 (7:28 pm)
I really wouldn't sweat this one. I kind of doubt a real person's head would bounce around like the one in Mr.Lund's test. Having said that, I also feel that it only makes sense to fire the side airbags and curtains in a frontal offset crash. I just am not sure that man can simulate a crash that acccurately with a crash test dummy and slingshot and barrier. Would that exact result happen again with the new Spectra as last test? I'm not so sure and if I owned a new Spectra I wouldn't be losing any sleep over the IIHS tests.
If you guys wanna chew your nails down to the stubs over that "test" go right ahead.
#199 of 464 Re: spectraman... [iluvmysephia1]
Jan 03, 2005 (6:54 pm)
Your denial lives on and the crash test issue is pretty much dormant, but its worth noting that aside from the Elantras myriad issues with airbag deployment, the many versions of the current model that have been tested have remarkably similar deformation measurements, which speaks to the repeatability of these tests. Additionally, the IIHS uses pretty advanced test dummies, moreso than those used in the NHTSA tests, so your assertion that real peoples' heads do not "bounce around" in actual crashes remains unfounded unless you can provide information otherwise. All other things being equal, would you not prefer the dummy to NOT 'bounce around' as much, since the dummies dont 'bounce around' as much in other cars? (This is what the 'Kinematics' assesment is for, so you seem to be completely devaluing it). I dont think anyone is chewing nails or losing sleep over this test, but basically every other entry in the market is better than this Kia when it comes to frontal offset crashworthiness, one component of vehicle safety that most manufactures introducing new models make the effort to NAIL, on the first try. Not so Kia.
I promise, Im done.