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1246 messages, Last post on Sep 28, 2009 at 7:37 AM
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Sep 05, 2005 9:02 am)
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Replying to: rstarck (Sep 05, 2005 9:33 am) The only way to test this stuff would be something like this I think: 1. Find two identical cars 2. Run them both with no additives on the same daily routes for 1,000 miles and record their average fuel mileage or each vehicle's "baseline". 3. Then put the additive in Vehicle A but not Vehicle B. Do NOT tell the drivers which engine has it and which doesn't. Drive each for 1,000 miles and record the average fuel mileage as compared to when they didn't have the additive. 4. Now SWITCH the additive to the other vehicle, again, telling neither driver what was done, and record average fuel mileages again. If there was a10% jump in fuel mileage when the additive was added, and a 10% drop when it was drained out or not used, and also in spite of the variance between the two vehicles "normal" fuel mileage, each one increased/decreased 10% from their normal baselines, AND the driver's were "blind"---then I'd TEND to be a believer** I say 'tend" because then I'd want a test with longer mileages. So what I'm saying is that if you bought this stuff, drove 1,500 miles and told me you got 10% better mileage, that would definitely not make me a believer. That's not scientific enough.
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Every time gas prices skyrocket, these "magic formulas" get discovered. Amazing, isn't it? |
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Sep 05, 2005 10:50 am) It's just my opinion. I may be wrong. |
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One additive that is being used is actone ( 2oz. for every 10 gals. of fuel , gas or diesel ) I have used this & seen cars that drop emissions ( co & hc ) and up the mileage 3 mpg . I am still testing this additive . Caution it will remove paint .
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Replying to: autoguy2 (Sep 05, 2005 1:04 pm) Again, any additive that could deliver 30% mileage increase would be the salvation of all mankind,the solution to the world's energy crisis, and an immediate sell-out in every store in the nation. Unless of course it doesn't work. |
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Replying to: autoguy2 (Sep 05, 2005 1:04 pm) The more effective your engine is at vaporising the fuel, the more efficient it will be. That is why every vehicle will have different results and a different best mixture ratio. Depending on how efficient your engine design and what condition it is in. The more efficient your engine is, the less improvement acetone will give you. Acetone is available from most hardware stores, about 2 cents worth will treat a gallon of gas. In a pinch you can buy small quantities at a drugstore. Add between 2-3 oz per 10 gallons of gas about 2oz for diesel. Establish your baseline MPG over the last 1500-2000 miles of pure gasoline. Start at 2oz per 10 gal for the next set of 1500-2000 miles. Increase it in increments of about a quarter oz for each set upto a max of about 3oz/10gal. More is not better, improvements in MPG will sharply drop off after the max. Compare the results to find the sweet spot for your particular vehicle. Store in small, well sealed amounts in your trunk, measure it away from the vehicle to avoid dripping on your paint. Be careful around man made fabrics, you don't want to dribble it down your polyester pants. Maybe wear gloves to prevent skin contact. But don't panic if you do get a little on you, women have been using it for the last 50 years or so as nail polish remover. I am currently in my 2.5oz/10gal test set with a 22% improvement in MPG over my baseline. I am driving a '95 Pontiac Grand Prix with an EPA rating of 19/29 MPG, I'm getting 30.55 MPG mixed city/highway about 30/70. Also stay away from gasahol, the alcohol will cancel acetones benefits. I had to restart a test set because I got a partial tankfull up in Michigan. Badstuff, even without aetone it gives you lower MPG than regular gasoline. Why don't more people know about this, well, if you were an oil company executive would you want to reduce your annual sales by 20%? So as the fuel expert your NOT going to say it works. If your are a car manufacturer, would you want engines to run cleaner and last longer between new car purchases? These "unbiased experts" have said that this very diluted acetone will damage seals and o-rings. However, even after soaking in pure acetone for a year, there is no measurable damage to these parts. If it can standup to gas it can handle acetone. Give it a try.
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until I see a documented well-designed double-blind trial fully laid out in public, and the science is repeatable (meaning other researchers do it over and over and the results are all the same, and all the data is accessable and public,) I can't get excited over one or another flavor of snake oil. how about putting two ounces of new orleans floodwater in the tank? there are enough petrochemicals in there that it Just Might Work..... 
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Replying to: technerd (Sep 07, 2005 3:14 pm) Are you saying your tank, pump, injectors, fuel pressure regulators have all been checked and there IS no damage?
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Replying to: swschrad (Sep 07, 2005 6:19 pm) The Oil industry doesn't want to lose 20% of their sales. The Auto industry wants to sell new cars and parts, not tell you how to make them last longer. The Government taxes you by the gallon not the mile, they stand to lose as well. There are always people who are willing to try new things. Yes there will be failures, but that is no reason not to keep trying. The people who succeed the most are usually the ones who have failed the most in the past until they found what worked for them. Not the people who stay back in the nice safe herd and never try anything. Not the people who never take a gamble. Not the people who wait for some authority to say it is OK for the herd to move. The grass is always greener for those in front of the herd, before everyone else has trampled all over it. But that's OK for me. Now that I have found something, I am more than willing to have an economic advantage over my competitors in the herd. I was willing to risk practically nothing by testing this in a 10 year old car with over 187 thousand miles on it. Now I can leverage what I've been willing to learn, by that tiny risk, to save even more money with the small fleet of vehicles I run in my business. A business I have been able to build up because I was willing to try something and not just stay in my nice safe computer job. The computer job I had because I was willing to take the risk back in the seventies that there would be a demand for these skills. I could have played it safe and worked for my dad's little business and I would be getting by on about 30K a year just like my brother did. But I choose to take careful risks and try things out. And I thank-you for staying back in the nice safe herd and encouraging others to stay there with you. You are helping those of us willing to take a chance to get ahead in life. And by the time the herd catches up to where we are now we would have moved ahead even further to even greener pastures. So stay there in the nice safe herd, eating your nice safe fodder. But every once in a while you may happen to look up, maybe to shoo away the flies that follow the herd, and see me off in the distance standing in a fresh stand of tall lush green grass. And if you look real close you may even see me waving at you, but of course your so far away you can't tell that I'm really just thumbing my nose. 
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