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1246 messages, Last post on Sep 28, 2009 at 7:37 AM
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Replying to: isellhondas (Jun 27, 2009 3:16 pm) Said another way, trying to use a failed rotary engine (or even hundreds of failed rotary engines) as the basis for not using synthetic oil in piston engines is completely irrelevant. At this point in time there is such a huge body of scientific and empirical data that proves how well synthetic oil performs in pistons engines, even after ten to fifteen thousand miles, that to dismiss their use for anything other than personal/emotional/religious reasons is, well, disingenuous. Best regards, Shipo
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Replying to: shipo (Jun 27, 2009 10:44 pm) Call it disingenous if you wish,or call me old fashioned but, I just don't see the need for synthetics but that's me. I don't keep my cars forever nor do I drive 40,000 miles a year so for me, there would be no real benefit. I use top quality dino oil, I don't use additives and I change my oil using a quality filter every 4000-4500 miles. A couple of years ago, I pulled a valve cover on one of my cars that had over 100,000 miles and there wasn't a speck of gum or sludge to be found. So, if you want to use synthetics, go for it! To me, I just can't see any benefits and, yeah, the RX-7 incident still nags at me a bit.
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Replying to: isellhondas (Jun 28, 2009 4:56 pm) That would be kinda like saying "since all engines are not wankels then I will not buy a vehicle"!! All that said, everyone should be able to have their opinion. Mine is that because dino oil is an inferior product to syn. engine oil and I want to change my oil as little as possible for many reasons no matter how many miles I drive a year,syn. is the best way to achieve that goal. I do not want to pull my valve covers either at a 100,000 or 200,000 plus miles and my best chance to do that is with syn oil and OA's. Bottom line is different strokes for different folks. We are both right, just different goals.
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Replying to: basspro (Jun 28, 2009 6:29 pm) And, I didn't pull my valve cover just to look for sludge. It had a gasket starting to leak. I like the concept of clean fresh oil in my cars and that's why I change it as often as I do. I do have my opinion and that's what it is! |
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recommended to be used in pre cat classics. It is recommended by Mustang Monthly and when you investigate their website, you will maybe (perhaps) understand it is not Snake Oil. 
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Replying to: euphonium (Jul 01, 2009 3:58 pm) Ergo, snake oil.
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Jul 01, 2009 4:15 pm) Please read an extensive article on page 46, July 2009, Mustang Monthly & advise if their presentation changes your mind about the product. I read, understand, bought, & installed it in my 66 Mustang GT for reasons cited in their piece. Thank you for giving it your reading. 
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Replying to: euphonium (Jul 01, 2009 6:41 pm) I can say, though that it IS an additive, and my general attitude is that you don't "play chemist" with additives to an already good oil. "Extra" amounts of phosphorus or zinc don't necessarily offer "more" protection. More is not better chemically, although that is the "common sense" of snake oil products----that if X is good, MORE X is even better. I don't see anything scientifically-based that suggests that modern oils don't have "enough" what your old Mustang needs. If people can vintage-race reliably in club events with old Mustangs on normal oils, I don't see why anyone on the street needs ZDD. Just pick the best oil for your situation and you're good to go IMO. |
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Replying to: euphonium (Jul 01, 2009 6:41 pm) Some people used to swear by STP too and I can't even guess at the number of engines that miserable stuff gunked up! I suppose if it makes you feel better to use this stuff, it probably won't cause any harm. Any "benefit" will be a placebo effect.
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Replying to: isellhondas (Jul 02, 2009 7:13 am) |
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