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auto explaination aud Audi by kurtamaxxxguy
May 14, 2009 (10:16 am)
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FYI:
 
http://www.magnalabs.com/aslcamguard/formula.php
 
was a surprise find as it's about autos and the FTC lawsuits - they've a separate page dealing with aircraft.
....and if I am accused of backsliding, so be it. It discussed autos.
....last mention until new version.
 
Changing gears again:
 
What's going on with Audi? I read on one consumer affairs web page that Audi now recommends synthetic oil changed at 5K miles, but Audi owners manuals (some of them, anyway) recommend any premium oil changed at 10K miles.
The latter procedure usually brought about sludge.
 
Manufacturers really confuse things when their manuals say one thing, and the advisors say something else.
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Re: auto explaination aud Audi [kurtamaxxxguy] by shipo
May 14, 2009 (10:58 am)
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Replying to: kurtamaxxxguy (May 14, 2009 10:16 am)

"What's going on with Audi? I read on one consumer affairs web page that Audi now recommends synthetic oil changed at 5K miles, but Audi owners manuals (some of them, anyway) recommend any premium oil changed at 10K miles.
The latter procedure usually brought about sludge."

 
I'm not sure where you got that. Audi has required the use of synthetic oil that meets at least the VW 502.00 oil specification (which most synthetic oils are incapable of meeting) for years now. As far as I know, there hasn't been a single Audi sold in North America that allowed the use of "any premium oil" since at least 2003.
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Re: auto explaination aud Audi [shipo] by kurtamaxxxguy
May 14, 2009 (8:59 pm)
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Replying to: shipo (May 14, 2009 10:58 am)

As far as I know, there hasn't been a single Audi sold in North America that allowed the use of "any premium oil" since at least 2003.
 
That explains it as most of the forum entries were about older Audis.
 
http://www.consumeraffairs.com/automotive/audi_sludge.html
 
is the web page I saw.
I also see that there's a 503 spec for VW oils that's for their higher powered engines, learning that from a Shipo post on the Edmunds VW Passat Oil Issues forum.
Would be interesting to know if there's been publication or analysis explaining exactly how it differs from 502 spec.
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Re: auto explaination aud Audi [kurtamaxxxguy] by roland3
May 16, 2009 (10:57 pm)
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Replying to: kurtamaxxxguy (May 14, 2009 10:16 am)

... Mobil gave up on trying to solve the aircraft (piston) (gasoline) problem with their synthetic product, about four years ago. I believe it has to do with keeping the lead compounds in suspension. Or the necessary change levels there-of.
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Re: auto explaination aud Audi [roland3] by shipo
May 17, 2009 (5:13 am)
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Replying to: roland3 (May 16, 2009 10:57 pm)

Just as a point of reference; Mobil withdrew the Mobil AV 1 Synthetic Aviation oil during the summer of 1994, fifteen years ago. And yes, the inability of synthetic oil to hold TEL in suspension was a huge factor in the problems engines lubricated with that oil were dealing with.
 
Best regards,
Shipo
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brief note on aviation lubes by kurtamaxxxguy
May 18, 2009 (6:56 pm)
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http://www.avweb.com/news/savvyaviator/savvy_aviator_52_thinking_about_oil_chang- es_196730-1.html
 
talks about TEL (am surprised they're still using TEL in Aviation fuel), acid attacks on engines, and ways oil can get contaminated.
 
Granted, article pertains mainly to Aircraft, but is interesting wrt oil breakdown.
 
Aside; how many countries on Earth still use Leaded gasoline?
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Re: brief note on aviation lubes [kurtamaxxxguy] by roland3
May 19, 2009 (2:40 am)
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Replying to: kurtamaxxxguy (May 18, 2009 6:56 pm)

... The aviation industry hangs on to tetraethyl-lead for some of these reasons: known standardized octane(s), potential valve seat and face erosion in thirty to fifty plus year old designs, and certified outlets. Quite a bit of the Experimental and a few (probably illegally) General Aviation, use pump unleaded. If you have enough octane and hard valve seat faces it really is not a problem. Of course if you get a batch of 87 and your engine needs ninety plus octane you could have major problems. Av-gas is also formulated for higher altitudes, and quite expensive.
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Re: brief note on aviation lubes [roland3] by Mr_Shiftright HOST
May 19, 2009 (6:33 am)
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Replying to: roland3 (May 19, 2009 2:40 am)

Aviation and marine engines run under such different conditions than automobiles that I'm not surprised they adhere to different standards. Besides all that, the consequences of failure must be taken into account. Experimentation is not a great idea in aviation. When I worked in Alaska, "tried and true" was more than good enough for us. Old beat up Cessna 180s and 185s did (and still do) the job the best IMO.
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Re: brief note on aviation lubes [Mr_Shiftright] by kurtamaxxxguy
May 19, 2009 (12:43 pm)
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (May 19, 2009 6:33 am)

Thinking about aircraft engines reminds me that a number of European auto engines consume quite a bit of oil (Various reports suggest some Audis and BMW's burn a quart or so every 4 - 5000 miles).
 
I assume this oil consumption is not from bad tolerances, but design strategy.
Where is the oil consumed from? The valve seals? The piston walls/rings?
 
If from walls/rings, perhaps the oil consumption is to provide more thorough lubrication and/or piston cooling?
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Coming in late here by isellhondas
Jun 27, 2009 (3:16 pm)
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I once sold my sweet running 1984 RX7 to a guy I knew.
 
This car ran like a dream until one day he had his oil changed and the shop suggested he use synthetic instead of the regular stuff I had always used.
 
Several hundred miles later, he blew the engine. He had it towed to a well known shop in the area that only works on RX-7's. And the first question they asked him was had he put synthetic oil in it ?
 
I know how wonderful a lot of people think synthetics are but I won't use them. For me the regualr oil works just fine!

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