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Re: another genie in the bottle [qbrozen] by texases
Oct 02, 2008 (2:42 pm)
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Replying to: qbrozen (Oct 02, 2008 2:35 pm)

You'd need a transformer to get 25 KV, could be done, just not like the mason jar and two wires the HHO guys tout. And yes, I didn't see much regarding actually doing it. Wonder what it'd cost? Also odd the only gasoline spray test was with 20% ethanol, not even available. Makes you think they tried regular gas, saw no effect.
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in the news by steve_ HOST
Dec 18, 2008 (2:58 pm)
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See more Car Pictures at CarSpace.com
 
The news from Popular Science back in 1952 that is.
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A123 is a loser by steve_ HOST
Jan 08, 2009 (9:57 am)
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And I'm not slamming Lawrence Welk.
 
"Real-world testing by Consumer Reports showed the best-selling plug-in conversion kit for the Toyota Prius did not come close to meeting its manufacturer's fuel-economy claim of a possible 100+ miles per gallon, the magazine says in its February issue."
 
Consumer Reports: Prius Plug-In Kit Gets Nowhere Near Maker's 100+ MPG Claim (Green Car Advisor)
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Re: A123 is a loser [steve_] by gagrice
Jan 08, 2009 (1:10 pm)
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Replying to: steve_ (Jan 08, 2009 9:57 am)

That is the brand of battery that burnt up a Prius last summer...The company has several of the conversions. They parked them all till it can be determined what happened. I still think Li-Ion batteries are years away from practical EV usage.
 
The first known instance of a plug-in hybrid car going up in flames occurred on June 7 in Columbia, South Carolina to a 2008 Prius that had been converted to plug-in capability for the Central Electric Power Cooperative. The conversion was performed with a Hybrids-Plus PHEV15 conversion kit that uses an A123 Systems lithium ion battery pack. The incident is still under investigation by Phoenix, Arizona-based Electric Transportation Engineering Corporation. Initial information indicates the fire may have been triggered by something related to the on-board battery charger and the car had previously experienced some mechanical issues related to that.
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Re: A123 is a loser [gagrice] by larsb
Jan 08, 2009 (1:12 pm)
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Replying to: gagrice (Jan 08, 2009 1:10 pm)

gary says, I still think Li-Ion batteries are years away from practical EV usage.
 
GM and Toyota will beg to differ.
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Re: A123 is a loser [larsb] by steve_ HOST
Jan 08, 2009 (1:22 pm)
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Replying to: larsb (Jan 08, 2009 1:12 pm)

Nothing that a few bucks won't solve.
 
A123 Systems Seeks $1.8 Billion Federal Loan For EV Battery Factories in U.S.
 
Support Builds for Hybrid, EV Battery Funding in U.S. Economic Stimulus Plan
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Re: A123 is a loser [larsb] by gagrice
Jan 09, 2009 (6:08 am)
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Replying to: larsb (Jan 08, 2009 1:12 pm)

Which model of GM or Toyota is on the showroom floor using Li-Ion batteries? GM has still not announced who will build the battery for the Volt. Panasonic is trying to buy Sanyo for their Li-Ion technology. I will believe it when I see it from GM or Toyota. They all know that longevity is the big issue they will have to face even if they feel the batteries are safe. Even NiMH has a way to go before it proves its longevity. Just five years on the oldest 2nd generation Prius. The first Prius had a battery recall. So we do not know how old they are. There was so few sold that it is insignificant compared to the current Prius design.
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Who will build the batteries??? [steve_] by gagrice
Jan 09, 2009 (6:20 am)
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Replying to: steve_ (Jan 08, 2009 1:22 pm)

Proponents of a healthy electric vehicle industry in the U.S. have questioned the wisdom of developing vehicles that can help free the country form its dependence on foreign oil only to replace it with dependence on foreign-made batteries.
 
That was my complaint about the CFL mandate. It is just like our Congress to mandate EV cars and the only source would be outside the US, or regulations that would not allow some parts to be built in the USA.
 
If we fund the development of batteries, do the tax payers share in the profits from those developments? We funded the NiMH battery development and I do not know of any profits we have shared it.

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