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Replying to: shipo (Aug 11, 2008 9:22 am) But how would they know the OWNER had done anything wrong themselves to cause the problem? Why not just blame it on bad gas, etc? Deny Deny Deny. Unless they have a video of you adding acetone to your tank, I'm thinking any law school grad could argue your case for you in small claims court.
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Replying to: larsb (Aug 11, 2008 9:59 am) Said another way, the kind of damage I'm talking about is the result of prolonged exposure to a solvent that the fuel system wasn't designed to accomodate. That said, in an effort to silence the very vocal acetone advocates populating this board a couple of years ago, I tried it in an old beater for ten consecutive tanks. I've since driven that car nearly 60,000 miles since I last put acetone in the tank, and so far at least, I've yet to have any fuel system issues. I'm not so confident that would be the case if I had continued using it. Best Regards, Shipo
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Replying to: shipo (Aug 11, 2008 10:18 am) Most warranties expire around 36K, so I don't think using acetone in every tank for the first 36K miles would break anything before the warranty expired. Now if you have one of those "high dollar" 100K warranties like the ones I like to buy, then you might have a concern. But not for the run-of-the-mill 36K basic warranty. |
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These folks are advertising in the USA Today today. 121 mpg in a normal gasoline car Can you imagine what being able to burn all the gasoline in your engine would mean to fuel savings? Here’s what our scientific testing has shown: In one test at our Research Facility, we got 9X the fuel efficiency from a gas guzzling 318 V-8 Chrysler engine. We ran a 318 V-8 Chrysler engine on a brand new state of the art dynamometer (the same testing equipment that Detroit uses) at 3,000 rpms under a 50% load for an hour. This test condition approximated an 8 cylinder van with a 318 engine, traveling up a 30 degree incline for one hour, at 65 miles per hour. Before the PICC modification, the engine used 18 pounds of fuel. At an average weight of 6.15 pounds per gallon for gasoline, that would equal 2.93 gallons of fuel. Converting that into miles per gallon, it got around 22 mpg. The researchers then switched the fuel injection process to the PICC Modification and ran the engine under the exact same conditions for another hour. Now, the engine used only 2 pounds of fuel instead of 18 — an increase in efficiency of 9x. In other words, the vehicle traveling at 65 mph up a 30 degree incline for an hour would have obtained almost 200 mpg! When they shut off the engine, the researchers reported that it coasted on the plasma for another two minutes. What Does This Mean To You? This test with a 318 V-8 gas guzzling engine is just the first big V-8 engine that we ran under scientific conditions at our Research Facility. We believe based on results like these that our plasma could revolutionize fuel economy for ALL vehicles — including SUVs and Pickups — that should easily get better than 100 miles per gallon with the PICC. To be able to modify SUVs of any size to get 100 mpg minimal fuel economy will revolutionize the auto industry! Sounds to me like another "big ole scam."
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Replying to: larsb (Aug 14, 2008 9:04 am)
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Replying to: larsb (Aug 11, 2008 9:59 am) If you got the money to take on Toyota in court, why would you worry about saving a few ounces of gas using acetone? Using biodiesel can void your warranty if it can be determined you used a poor batch and it caused some problem in the engine.
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Replying to: steve_ (Aug 14, 2008 9:10 am) |
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Replying to: gagrice (Aug 14, 2008 4:28 pm) People with money are some of the tightest tightwads around !!! Just 'cause you have it don't mean you want to waste it. For people who EARNED their wealth, after having a taste of the good life, they know that money don't grow on trees and every penny counts for something. I've yet in my life heard about anyone using acetone to the extent that it ruins their fuel system, so at this point, it's all just fantasy anyway.
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Replying to: larsb (Aug 15, 2008 6:17 am) Acetone A colorless liquid. Flash point 165°F. Lethal by inhalation and highly toxic or lethal by skin absorption. Density 7.8 lb / gal (less dense than water). Vapors heavier than air. Produces toxic oxides of nitrogen during combustion. (NOAA Reactivity 2007) So if you want to run it in your car you will be adding NoX to the air you breathe.
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Replying to: gagrice (Aug 15, 2008 10:34 am) And I don't think any warranty EVER will get denied because of using acetone, because I don't think anyone will ever use it enough to damage their internals. On fighting 'Yota in court: If I knew 'Yota could not PROVE I damaged my car, and they were refusing to fix it based on an assumption, and that repair was going to cost me $5,000, and I still owed $20,000 on it and wanted to keep the car, then YES I might decide to take them to small claims court. Is that decision right for every situation? Of course not. But if you are the kind of person who wants to use acetone in your car (I tried it in my HCH with underwhelming results) then I don't think worrying about a denied warranty needs to come into play. |
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