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Re: Power Steering Issues [mastecutor] by d_stenulson
Jan 18, 2009 (11:42 pm)
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Replying to: mastecutor (Jan 16, 2009 7:27 am)

I would think though that 1850.00 for a car as nice as this is not bad... if you really think about it... i guarantee that if she was going to sell it to someone else and there weren't all these problems with it that she would've sold it for much more than 1850.00... but i do appreciate it ur opinion... and i like the car so much that i would put 2-4k towards it just to be able to keep it and drive it...
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Re: Power Steering Issues [d_stenulson] by mastecutor
Jan 19, 2009 (6:59 am)
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Replying to: d_stenulson (Jan 18, 2009 11:42 pm)

Keep the dream alive. I am rooting for you. Just be sure to keep an emergancy fund for when things turn south. I too am a fan of Aurora's but I am also very skeptical of GM electronics and the chronic issues they have in most of their auto's. My first thoughts are to stay away from a car that has complications.
 
Enjoy the ride.
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Re: Power Steering Issues [d_stenulson] by ndeysayau95
Jan 19, 2009 (10:56 am)
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Replying to: d_stenulson (Jan 14, 2009 8:43 pm)

Hello there... reading your post and I just have to give you a little advice. The Aurora is a wonderful car no doubt and when they are fully operational they are totally awesome. But, as to everything there is a downside and you have just had your first experience.... They are costly when it comes to repairs, they are a car of their own making and there really aren't too many people that like to work on them, then you have some that will work on them and really don't know what they are doing!
You and I have a similar scenario.... I got mine from a family member for $1000, and when I got it there was an exisisting problem with overheating. Thought it would be a simple fix (thermostat, water pump) but there was more to it then that. I've had the car for almost 2 years now and have put more into it then what I paid, one repair alone cost me $1697.00 and once again she is sitting in my driveway and I am asking my fellow Aurorians here on the forum questions... look at posts #4063 thru 4071 (those are all me, and one shows a breakdown in repairs).
What I'm actually trying to say to you is have the car FULLY inspected by someone that knows Aurora's. You have a power steering issue right now, but there could be something else leading to the problem since it has been repaired once. You are young, and there are a lot of other things you can do with your money (school, etc) besides put it into a car that you may soon decide you no longer want. Again, it is an awesome car, but the maintenance is $$$$ if you can understand what I mean.
Not trying to discourage you, I mean I have so many times wanted to throw the towel in on mine but here she still sits... For this car you have to keep a piggy bank. lol
Good luck to you, and Happier Aurora days to you!
Monique
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Re: Power Steering Issues [ndeysayau95] by d_stenulson
Jan 20, 2009 (3:31 pm)
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Replying to: ndeysayau95 (Jan 19, 2009 10:56 am)

Thank you... I appreciate that... you all are very knowledgable when it comes to these cars aren't you... I guess I fell in love with the comfort and style of this car... but it might not be worth it to me to spend pretty much all of my money on it... the thing is, i don't really have many nice things that I can call my own... but with comfort comes a price... and I don't like to settle if you understand what I am saying... even though it's not like the aurora is the nicest car in the world... it's the nicest car anyone in my family has ever owned... and it's mine... Thanks to all for the advice... I appreciate it... And your right... i do need to have it inspected... but i'm just gonna wait until i receive my tax return money
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Re: Power Steering Issues [d_stenulson] by ndeysayau95
Jan 21, 2009 (2:08 pm)
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Replying to: d_stenulson (Jan 20, 2009 3:31 pm)

Very wise decisiion... I can understand exactly what you mean by it being your own. When you take it to be inspected, make sure you get a list of everything they find wrong with it (it helps the fellow Aurorians here give you the best advice). I would work on the major things first if any are found, then the not so major things.... once you get her to the status she should be keeping up the maintenance is a MUST on these ladies! I call them ladies because they are high maintnenance. lol You will most definitely appreciate the car, as I said before it is an awesome ride! One other thing to keep in mind, when you have any work performed on the car, always ask for your OLD parts. Not that you will want to keep them, it's just something I have learned to do over the years to insure that what they say was replaced, was actually replaced! However, there are some parts recommended to keep that can be rebuilt considering....
I wish you nothing but the best! Enjoy the thrill of an Aurora!
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Re: 95 TRANNY PROBLEM... HELP PLEEAASSEE!!! [ndeysayau95] by e_net_rider
Jan 22, 2009 (2:59 am)
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Replying to: ndeysayau95 (Jan 13, 2009 10:22 am)

There are actually two speed sensors, one internal under the end pan. If something associated with that one fails it will only stop the torque convertor clutch from locking. I'm not sure of the other but it is located on the tranny near the front of engine and on top I think.
Your codes are from too many different areas to be tranny alone. Did all those codes show up since the tranny problem?
I would be suspicious of wire damage if they pulled the tranny last time. To get the end pan off, they had to at least shift the transmission sideways and may have damaged something.
You need to get some good charts such as All Data would have for the car. The fee is quite reasonable.
 
With that assortment of codes I have to wonder if there is wire damage. And those charts will allow you to check for any shorts that might have caused the ECM to fail.
You have a code related to the cruise control circuit and the release of cruise when you push the brake.
 The throttle position sensor is right on the throttle body and hooked to the end of the butterfly shaft.
I'm not sure what they might be calling throttle switch off the top of my head. Maybe the idle air controller.
One thing I notice is that the signals for these codes, except the ECM, go through a common connector that is located near the rear of the engine, top of the transmission housing. Careful, old plastic may be brittle.
 
But you have those two ECM codes saying that the computer is bad. All Data charts will tell you which are the most important codes. That is if you look up one code, it will tell you that certain other codes can not be set, meaning they have a higher priority.
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Re: Power Steering Issues [d_stenulson] by e_net_rider
Jan 22, 2009 (3:28 am)
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Replying to: d_stenulson (Jan 20, 2009 3:31 pm)

Something sounds really strange if I read your problem correctly. That is that you turn the steering wheel but the tires do not move?
 
The Rack and Pinion is located against the firewall horizontally. If something to the output end of the rack broke, you'd have movement on one of the tires. So it would have to be internal or the shaft from the steering wheel. I think I read that the subframe needs to be lowered to change the rack. That would make it labor intensive. But those labor books are very generous with time usually. Considering that shop refused to do it a second time makes me suspicious that the problem is related to something they did. Because of the danger evoked that such a failure would occur the part has to pass a high safety standard and I've never heard of such a failure to a rack. Maybe they used some cheaper than dirt part. If you can find the manufacturer of the part you can probably talk them out of a free one considering the age. Labor is a separate issue and listed in a manual such as Chiltons Labor book.
Back to the input. I'd check to make sure the steering shaft is turning with the steering wheel and is connected at the rack. The connection is accessible fron inside and covered with a rubber boot assembly. You might have to roll the carpet back a little and there are several small bolts holding it in place. The shaft connection is splined and there will be a single bolt, sideways, pinching the coupling tight to the racks input shaft.
If something is broken between the steering wheel and that point, you have a different breed of problem, nothing to do with the rack.
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Re: 95 TRANNY PROBLEM... HELP PLEEAASSEE!!! [e_net_rider] by ndeysayau95
Jan 22, 2009 (7:28 am)
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Replying to: e_net_rider (Jan 22, 2009 2:59 am)

All those codes were discovered about 14 months ago when my car would shift hard ( I would jerk into each gear). They replaced the torque converter (rebuilt) and all kinds of other parts which is what brought me to $1697. Im curious to know is it common for these things to fail?
I have this fuse that continues to blow now, I just discovered it Monday. It is the ERLS (Brake-Transaxle Shift Interlock, Heated Oxygen Sensor, Linear EGR). I went through all the fuses on a whim, found this one blown replaced it with a new 15A and as soon as I started it, the fuse blew again.
Your input on wiring has me curious if they damaged wires... Of course they supplied me with a 6 month or 6000 mile warranty and I am beyond that.
Is it common for a speed sensor to fail that quickly? I just can't see that being logical.
Thank you for your input... I don't know what I would do without you all here in the forum!
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Re: 95 TRANNY PROBLEM... HELP PLEEAASSEE!!! [ndeysayau95] by e_net_rider
Jan 23, 2009 (11:33 am)
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Replying to: ndeysayau95 (Jan 22, 2009 7:28 am)

You are saying these codes existed before they worked on the tranny?
If so, you got ripped.
The wiring problem may have existed prior to work if that is case, or it might have been just a dead computer, far less than what you paid. But this does not make a lot of sense. Did the vehicle actually have torque converter lock after they worked on it?
You need to clarify some of these points and I would start by writing down what you can remember of order of events as soon as possible. Then get the vehicle to someone that will inspect the wiring visibly for a crush problem. Maybe take some pictures of it.
I ran into a situation that had me ready to kill someone, afterall they almost killed me and my wife. I bought a used vehicle and it had a braking problem that was unknown to us. She had two incidents, one of which had her skid off road, over curb and barely missed a power pole, coming into her side. I was on a three lane bridge, center lane controlled by lights. As I approached the top, here comes someone in the middle lane. When I hit the brakes the car also skid sideways on me, again putting the driver side to the impending danger. I was back at the dealer and mighty irate. The claimed they fixed the problem, but I later learned they had not. I talked to a lawyer, I wanted to sue them till their doors slammed shut. What the lawyer told me is that basically, "no harm, no foul". If we had gotten killed then our kids could have sued them. So there is a large loop hole allowing shoddy workmanship. That is you have to catch them and prove damage. I got rid of the car because no one could find the problem, but several months later I learned the problem because of a picture in Chilton manual. The picture showed the tool in place on the brake diverter valve for bleeding brakes. And having learned that the previous owner had crunched a rear quarter panel, it was very certain that the tool got left in place at the Ford plant.
 
So why the blog? It just occurred to me that you may have had a specific warranty on the transmission rebuild, but is there any place in the contract that says they are not responsible for damage they cause. I'd bet not, afterall, who would take their vehicle to someone that says that. They'd be saying they could damage all sorts of stuff and you'd have to pay to get it fixed.
So if it is a damaged wire bundle that had to be gotten at while work was being performed, I'd say you have a case. Maybe not big enough to get an attorney to look at, not enough money. But you could handle through small claims.
 
BTW, that wire bundle segment I mentioned previously, it also goes to EGR and O2 on the left bank (front side of vehicle). Depending upon year, you could have as many as four O2 sensors. Left bank, right bank, combined pre catalytic, and aft catalytic. The code should tell you which one.
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Re: 95 TRANNY PROBLEM... HELP PLEEAASSEE!!! [e_net_rider] by ndeysayau95
Jan 23, 2009 (2:36 pm)
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Replying to: e_net_rider (Jan 23, 2009 11:33 am)

Thank you very much for all the input, you have been a great help. Just wanted to let you know that I have decided to let her go... I'm simply tired of putting so much money into her, and still not getting her to run right. She has done me well, and I am truly sad but sometimes we have to know when enough is enough.
Thanks again for all your info!

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