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Nov 17, 2004 (10:28 am)
P.S. OPINION: Given a 2000 pound Insight at 73 hp vs. a 2000 pound Lupo at 75 gas+electric hp, they should accelerate at exactly the same speed.
#225 of 233 Let's not START this again!
Nov 17, 2004 (10:36 am)
OK - here we go...there are facts and there are experiences. People have their own experiences and do have opinions on them. Whether you agree with them or not - or had a similar experience or not - FINE. Agree to disagree and move on. Constant bickering and semantic ploys discourage people from joining in on the conversation.
Too many horses have been beaten to death in hybrids, let's move on please.
#226 of 233 Re: [electrictroy]
Nov 17, 2004 (11:53 am)
___VW does not state the Lupo is a 90 mpg car anywhere let alone the fact that the Euro Extra-Urban spec is ~ 10% to generous.
VW Germany states that Lupo has an Eco mode (automatic) or no Eco mode (manual shift). The hp does not change. It's always 60 hp/45 kilowatts.
___From my understanding, the Eco mode is not manual/automatic difference but a switch on the dash. There is no manual on this car. In its Eco mode, it is worth just 45 HP. Any wonder where the 17 - 20 second to 60 mph numbers come from? You can read more in the following:
The lasting impressions are a beastly backache from the cheap seats and maddening frustration from the mechanical compromises necessary to achieve the car's remarkable fuel economy
The 3L Lupo uses a 1.2-liter, turbocharged, three-cylinder diesel engine linked to an unusual transmission
One way to cut fuel consumption is to eliminate the weight and power drain of accessories. So the 3L Lupo had no air conditioning, no power steering, no anything. You can add such options, but there'd go your three-liter claim
And the car seemed low-quality for the $3,000 premium price its fuel-sipping hardware commands
Not only did the seats turn torturous after about 90 minutes, a cup holder came apart in the first 10 miles
The economy-enhancing, easy-rolling tires and lightweight suspension transmitted not just noise but a roar to the passenger compartment on cobblestones, bricks and rough asphalt
It's unlikely many buyers in the USA would pay a premium for such privations
To work its magic, the transmission seeks the highest gear ratio that the engine can handle without stalling, resulting in acceleration so sluggish it almost can't claim to be acceleration at all. It'll cruise 80 miles an hour all day. But ask it to change speeds and oh, woe
Switch off the "Eco" button on the dashboard. The transmission gives up its obsession with fuel economy and begins to shift like a normal gearbox. That eliminates the engine shutoff at idle. And it gets rid of the risky free-wheeling, too. Still, the transmission takes too long to shift from gear to gear, and you're still stuck with the fall-on-its-face shift personality
As aggravating as the car is, it keeps the promise of good fuel economy. And it simultaneously proves two things: Extraordinary fuel efficiency is possible with current technology; achieving it is neither cheap nor pleasant.
___Wayne R. Gerdes
#227 of 233 Re: [electrictroy]
Nov 17, 2004 (12:07 pm)
60 HP Lupo will take you from 0 to 60 in about 16-17s. You would probably be better off in a CRX HF which had 62 HP and weighed about 1800 lb. Lupo doesn't seem to have fuel economy advantage over the CRX however (I realize the measurement of EPA estimate to Euro standards may be different), both getting into low 50s.
Nov 17, 2004 (12:26 pm)
Sylvia the Moderator is correct, but it's extremely frustrating to post a FACT:
- Lupo 3L is a 60 hp engine
- VW Germany lists 14.7 second 0-60 time
- Euro highway test shows 2.7 L/100km (88mpg)
- Car&Driver shows 10.5 vs. 13.3 with charged vs. uncharged Insight
...and then have someone say, "No it doesn't." How on earth can someone dispute hard, cold, black-n-white facts?
As an engineer, I don't understand this.
#231 of 233 A feature
Dec 05, 2004 (9:27 am)
How about a simple troubleshooting guide ? Heck I just bought a $ 15.00 clock radio and it devotes a few pages in the back of its manual to troubleshooting and even has a flow chart but what does the owners manual that comes with a $ 25000.00 dollar Prius offer other than see your authorized dealer ? Nothing wrong with that but there are some simple problems that can be solved without a trip back to dealer.
#232 of 233 Re: [electrictroy]
Mar 06, 2005 (1:09 pm)
I drive a Lupo 3L for 4 years and I wanna correct your "FACTS".
The car has 3 modes! Manually shifting or automatically shifting by the computer in order to have the most efficient gear. Her you have two options ECO / Non Eco. While you have ECO Mode, the engine turns off automatically if the car stands longer than 4 seconds and starts again, if you take your foot from the brake. The maximum speed is about 100 mph, as you have just 45 hp. With Non Eco Mode the car goes up to 115 mph as it has 61 hp available - you can tune the car for $50 and it has 80 hp The consumption depends on the speed you go - at 60 mph you are around 90 mpg, if you go at maximum speed its around 40-45 mpg.
The car is able to be fueled with biodiesel!
Acceleration : about 14 seconds from 0-60, doesn΄t matter if you use the ECO mode or not. During the kickdown, the engine has the full 61 hp!
#233 of 233 Re:Lupo questions [henning_g]
Mar 06, 2005 (2:20 pm)
I drive a Lupo 3L for 4 years
Welcome to the Forum. I have some questions. Is that 90 mpg the same as US gallons? How is the comfort of the Lupo. It seems like a great little runabout car. Thank You, Gary