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Re: It's not working [hybrid5] by sligg
Nov 09, 2006 (6:31 pm)
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Replying to: hybrid5 (Nov 09, 2006 1:31 pm)

You don't give any numbers, so there is no way of knowing how well you did.
 
Today I went to Plaza Hyundai in Brooklyn NY to negotiate in person. I had received an email from their internet department with a quote of $17855 for the Sonata Unlimited Standard.
 
When I got there the manager of internet sales greeted me and assigned me to a salesman. I then understood that this negotiation was going to go nowhere. The salesman knew nothing but was making outlandish claims about the good deal he was going to give me. The original quote of $17855 magically was bumped to $21899. It was a moot point because at the price I wasn't buying. And besides, they didn't have my color (steel gray) in stock. The manager then got into the discussion using the standard cliches which led me to
walk.
 
Which ever way you go it starts off with the lie of a low ball quote so that they can get their grubby hands on you in their den of iniquity. That is a mistake, you can't win playing in their den.
 
Of the two lousy ways to buy a new car, using email is the better way to go. At the rate I'm going, I'll probably reach 90 years of age before I allow dealers to fleece me. I've got 9 years to go to do it my way at my price. Good luck to me!
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Re: It's not working [sligg] by cableguy06
Nov 09, 2006 (7:16 pm)
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Replying to: sligg (Nov 09, 2006 6:31 pm)

I agree. I have always negotiated via e-mail and have gotten everything in writing before going to a specific dealership. I also equip myself with the dealer invoice, advertising fees and hold-back dollars in advance of any conversations so I know what the car REALLY cost the dealer. By negotiating EVERYTHING in advance, the purchase is quick, enjoyable and without surprises. I purchased my 2007 Limited Ultimate and my Mom's 2006.5 Kia Optima this way too and my Mom said it was the most pleasant experience she has ever had in her 50 years of buying cars.
 
I get a new car every 2 years and I have been buying cars this way since 1997 and have never been disappointed.
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Sonata Unlimited Standard??? [sligg] OTD by miamixt
Nov 09, 2006 (7:23 pm)
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Replying to: sligg (Nov 09, 2006 6:31 pm)

"You don't give any numbers, so there is no way of knowing how well you did."
 
Exactly, and that is why all figures should be disclosed. Email or Telephone quotes are virtually worthless for any great deal.
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Retail Selling Price
Invoice Price
Dealer add-ons
Rebates/Incentives
Trade In Price (If applicable)
Tax Paid & Tax Rate (If applicable)
Tag & Title costs
Miscellaneous State fees
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And to get the most car for your buck, deal down, not up!. Test drive a loaded one. Instead of the Salesman trying to upsell you, you make it clear that the extras are nice, but NOT worth the Money. If they are low on available units, or if this unit has been sitting on the lot for some time, you will be amazed what your Dealer can do for you!
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Re: Sonata Unlimited Standard??? [sligg] OTD [miamixt] by sligg
Nov 09, 2006 (10:26 pm)
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Replying to: miamixt (Nov 09, 2006 7:23 pm)

I'm not kidding but in the NYC metropolitan area I get the impression that the dealers are not interested in selling cars to people who have some knowledge about the car they are buying.
 
My experience at the dealer convinces me that they would rather deal with a "lollipop" client than with a sharpie. I was the only one in the showroom, they had ample cars on the floor and in their inventory, and yet they did not try very hard other than play the waiting game of salesman visiting manager.
 
I'm thinking of giving up on the Sonata but would it be any different with some other brand of car? I don't think so.
 
They are not to enthused if they can't nail you with the four square ploy. If you are buying a car for cash with no trade in, it leaves them little room to massage the numbers.
 
The only chance of getting my deal is to wait for the end of the month and hope to find a dealer that needs to meet a bonus quota. This is the concept in the package called THE FAX ATTACK ($35). Instead of emails, you send faxes two-three days before the end of the month.
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Keep on keeping on. Buy the Sonata from out of State if needed? by miamixt
Nov 10, 2006 (2:58 am)
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No please don't give up!. You would love the Car. With New York City dealers what do you expect?.
 
The perfect time to buy a Car is when no one else is in the showroom, or the end of the Month, or if the Dealer sold a whopping 28 Cars for the month, including mine. That was in February, and I was going to cancel my sale because they couldn't produce the Car that was getting "worked on" at the body shop. So my loaded LX cost me $9200 & one junky 05 Elantra. While the Car had a MSRP of $25K, I got it for $18K, with $700 Tax paid. They gave me $13.8K on a trade that was worth $9.5K at the most. The Elantra didn't even cost $13.8K new. I also received $3K in rebates, although HMFC kicked out. They did want an extra thousand back, and my Salesman and his floor manager were not working there 3 days later after a total management change. So they needed that Sale for reasons unimportant to me, and I just said NO to the extra Grand. And by the way, the Sale was supposed to be for a loaded V6 GLS. When they couldn't find it, I said I'll take that loaded LX or just give me my Elantra back right now!. But please know, the original V6 GLS & price is what I signed for.
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Re: Sonata Unlimited Standard??? [sligg] OTD [miamixt] [sligg] by dudenj
Nov 10, 2006 (6:51 am)
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Replying to: sligg (Nov 09, 2006 10:26 pm)

This is what happened to me, i had called a few dealerships on the 30th in NJ, one of them returned my call on the 31st and told me that he was willing to sell me the car for 22,200 out of the door if i were to buy it that same day as he had to meet his numbers.
 
I went to the dealer, he then tells me that he is selling the car to me at $2000 + below invoice, and he wanted me to pay a couple of hundred more, when i asked him dont you want to do this sale and how he would meet the numbers, he said he just had to sell 2 to meet his numbers and he would cheat. I walked out.
 
I always wonder, are there so many people out there who are buying the car at a higher price that these dealers in NY and NJ really dont want to sell to people who are aware and knowledgeable about the market ?
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will you buy an ad car? by reader0518
Nov 10, 2006 (1:04 pm)
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GLS for $15000, stock # in newspaper, one car only. salesman told me that the dealer had to sale it at that price per advertisment, and it is not a demo or high mileage car.
 
anything could be wrong? the car had dents during transportation?
 
this is from a volumn dealer.
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Re: will you buy an ad car? [reader0518] by backy
Nov 10, 2006 (1:10 pm)
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Replying to: reader0518 (Nov 10, 2006 1:04 pm)

More likely it's as the salesman said, a "one only" car to drive traffic into the store. But some lucky person will get a GLS for $15,000.
 
Hint: if you go for it, take your cell phone along and call them from your car when you drive up. Talk with them as you are walking into the store and confirm the car is for sale. That way they can't play "bait and switch" on you. Also, if the car is sold when you get there, tell them you'll gladly buy another GLS at the same price TODAY (if you are really serious), and they might sell it to you for that--it happens.
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Re: It's not working [cableguy06] by mcayne
Nov 10, 2006 (4:04 pm)
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Replying to: cableguy06 (Nov 09, 2006 7:16 pm)

sligg, any luck yet?
 
For an 07 Limited Standard, I got an email offer of 19576 OTD (plus TTL) from a dealer here in the South. I'm not really trusting that number since it sounds pretty good. I'm assuming he misread my email when I said BEFORE the 1500 rebate...
 
In the beginning of my research, before I discovered the power of the internet, another dealer offered 21600 before the rebate and fees.
 
My problem so far with the email hunt has been the incessant calls from the dealers because I don't pick up (scared of em). So then they call me just to tell me they sent an email...
 
I'm seeing if the nice dealer will match the cheaper price when I return my 24 hour test drive car tomorrow (it has wind noise above 60, but I still like it so far)and we'll see what happens.
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Re: It's not working [mcayne] by sligg
Nov 10, 2006 (4:56 pm)
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Replying to: mcayne (Nov 10, 2006 4:04 pm)

No luck yet. I stopped looking. I'll start again the last 5 days of the month. If a dealer needs to make a sale to meet a quota, then you may have a chance to get a reasonable deal.
 
And most importantly, before you make your pitch, you have to make sure they have the car you want in their inventory. Don't fall for the line that they will get the car from another dealer. This requires a deposit which effectively takes you out of the market and control of the deal is now in their hands.
 
It's all very discouraging. Well, there is always Cars Direct-at least there's no haggling.

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