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#846 of 1426 Subaru VIP program? ACA version? by kayakski99 Jun 28, 2003 (6:22 pm)
I'm new. Help me. I rolled and totalled my 2000 Outback - wear your seatbelt, it works. Perfect 360 off a gravel road in UT. Not my fault, seriously. So - New Forester (which I thought was kind of a grandma car a couple years ago, no back seat, etc....) or another Outback but not the 4cyl but the 6cyl?   Anyone have real experience on the Subaru VIP proram ACA offers? Is it for real and a deal or can you negotiate better (or in addition).
#847 of 1426 by ateixeira Jun 29, 2003 (12:01 pm)
GT is different than sports car mostly in terms of extra comfort, and you pretty much assume a little extra luggage space. A wagon may be pushing the term, but...   Forester GT is the 2.0l Turbo offered in other markets, it's rated up to 240hp. The US gets the 2.5XT instead, it's torquey but less powerful. They did not use the GT label, though.   So, keep in mind we should not assume Subaru will even use the GT label, in fact they've been going away from it - WRX, WRX STi, Forester 2.5XT, etc.   I think the "RS" label is the most honest, Rally Sport, because the engines and chassis are competition bred. The Forester, for instance, is used in Rally Reconnaisance runs, and to create course notes.   -juice
#848 of 1426 ateixeira by boaz47 Jun 29, 2003 (3:40 pm)
From a practical point of view the Forester is far closer to being a SUV, if the Honda CR-V and Suzuki Grand Vitara and Vitara are SUVs, than they are sports cars. With the slalom times of the Legacy sedan I think the Legacy wagon is quite a ways from a GT as well. I watch both Foreign sedan and American SCCA racing I have have seen Honda, Acura, a few Nissans, now and then a Mazda, some Ford Focus but very few racing Legacys. That being said it is nothing against the car or Subaru. It is something that has been said earlier in these forums.   SUVs have morphed into something different than those of us that have had them believed they were. Mini suvs may be nothing more than tall wagons and wagons are little more than long hatches, like the WRX. I don't mind that manufacturers can't say station wagon without ducking. It just seems that calling wagons GT, something they can do because we are losing the meaning anyway, is just as silly as avoiding the term Station wagon.
#849 of 1426 then what does XS mean? XT? XLT? by subewannabe Jun 29, 2003 (7:26 pm)
given the loss of clear distinctions between wagons, hatchbacks, SUV's, crossovers, trucks, etc., i cant get too worked up about the letters the manufacturers stick on the back of a vehicle. most bottom of the line current models are superior in many performance categories to "GT" racers of earlier years, so i guess i should just go to the winnebago GT discussion and keep an eye out for news of the winnie turbo. Mark
#850 of 1426 by ateixeira Jun 30, 2003 (5:13 am)
Well then, you gotta get out and watch mike (paisan) drive. He's a wild man. He's in the NY/NJ area, though he runs NASA autocross, not SCCA.   He used to run his dad's Legacy, and would routinly finish 2nd or 3rd in his class. And keep in mind it's a quicker class than the Maxima and Accord V6s compete in. His times were well ahead of those cars. This in an automatic 2.2l Legacy.   He's now running a 2.2l Impreza and placing about the same, near the top every time.   Clearly he's quick, and the driver has a lot to do with it, but so does the AWD.   Wasn't is grass roots motorsports that ran an Odyssey against an E-type and another classic sports car, and the minivan won?   -juice
#851 of 1426 Is that a wagon? by boaz47 Jun 30, 2003 (6:37 am)
That someone autocrosses? I almost forgot autocross or Solo so I will look and see how they do in class. I will get back on that.
#852 of 1426 by ateixeira Jun 30, 2003 (7:52 am)
I found the link:   http://teamiac.com/   His current ride is the SVX and an Impreza he's building up gradually.   -juice
#853 of 1426 ateixeira by boaz47 Jun 30, 2003 (10:59 am)
Still, doesn't look like a Forester, Legacy, or a legacy wagon. I am sure people can try to get almost anything into some kind of class for Solo racing. Doesn't add sporting heritage or ability to the car. What class does Subaru run in in Solo? Stock what, modified what? I will look first chance I get. Someone that posted in some other forum I was in even raced a Insight in Scca Solo. Does quite well in class I think. I am not ready to concede it is a sports coupe.
#854 of 1426 by ateixeira Jun 30, 2003 (11:27 am)
Tell you what, I'll ask him to join this topic to share the info, it's 2nd hand and obviously my memory is geezin'.   I think he drove the Legacy before they formalized the autocross team.   <off to find mike>   -juice
#855 of 1426 Here I am... by paisan Jun 30, 2003 (1:57 pm)
I'll auto-x or track just about anything!   I've auto-xed:   Outbacks WRX Wagons WRX Sedans XT6 AT XT6 MT Impreza L Impreza RS Grand Am Sedan SVX RX7 Honda Civic Hatchback (70hp 83lbs torque 4MT) Legacy L Legacy L Wagon   In SCCA the outback runs in H-stock. In NASA it runs in Group G.   The Outback wagon did great at the auto-x. Lots of power etc. Most of the cars I auto-x are ATs as well.     Took 2nd place that day in class (about 7-10 cars in class)   -mike

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