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#831 of 1426 True again by boaz47 Jun 24, 2003 (10:29 am)
It is better to haul the gas can and motor outside. But even with small boats a trailer is nice if you have a place at home to park it. The thing I wonder is, with all the talk about how people could use a wagon, we still see very little of them pulling motorcycles, jet skis, or snowmobiles. Not even Subarus. The question I would ask is why? I believe the answer is the perception that they can't tow and a reluctance by dealers to even suggest it. I think one of the big draw backs is no one knows what they can do so they don't use them.   I once pulled a Catalina 22 from San Diego to Riverside with a D-50 mini truck. I even pulled it down to New Port a few times. However it was a whole lot nicer when I got a full sized truck. It isn't as much what you can do with a wagon verses a SUV it is how good do you feel doing it. My wife once had the people at Home Depot load 800 pounds of stepping stones in the back of our old Volvo wagon. The rear springs never were the same. I did the same thing in my Old Ramcharger and while I knew they were back there I still felt I wasn't hurting the truck.
#832 of 1426 by ballistic Jun 24, 2003 (10:36 am)
"It is better to haul the gas can and motor outside."   Boaz47 and Steve and others: Speaking of gas cans, maybe one of you has heard of a product I can't seem to track down. Several years ago I heard about an "emergency" gasoline substitute that could be safely carried in a car trunk, yet still would save your bacon if you ran out of gas, while (presumably) doing no harm to the engine, catalyst, and so forth. My new XT (unlike my other cars) has no trip computer displaying precise distance-to-empty miles remaining. I'd like to run the tank dry a few times to see where on the gauge the needle winds up when there's nothing left, but I need to carry some fuel to get me to a gas station, and I'd rather not carry a can of gas.   Has anybody heard of a safe (or safer) emergency fuel product that can be carried in a vehicle?   jb
#833 of 1426 ballistic by li_sailor Jun 24, 2003 (11:10 am)
Yup. It's called a paddle   On the subject of small craft, my GF is a kayaker and hauls it on top of her Outback with saddles on the roof rack. Any higher and she couldn't do it. She much prefers a wagon over any SUV. In fact, she says she won't be caught dead buying an SUV. She's contrary
#834 of 1426 paddle, right by steve_ HOST Jun 24, 2003 (11:38 am)
And you don't have to depend on the wind either.   Ballistic, I remember that emergency gas product that you are talking about, but a Q&D net search doesn't turn up anything. Must not have been a big seller.   Steve, Host
#835 of 1426 by ballistic Jun 24, 2003 (2:14 pm)
li_sailor to ballistic: "Yup. It's called a paddle "   Geez. OK, whack me with that one...   Steve adds, "I remember that emergency gas product that you are talking about, but a Q&D net search doesn't turn up anything. Must not have been a big seller."   Rats. I've Googled every which way and have come up empty. Which is what I'd like to avoid by carrying something along while discovering where on the gauge my XT runs out. I guess I could call AAA, but who wants to wait an hour to resume the thrill of driving an XT?   jb
#836 of 1426 pennzoil "roadside rescue" by silverpilot03 Jun 24, 2003 (2:20 pm)
I did a google and found this for 24.95 CANADIAN. I thought I saw this at Walmart not that long ago.
#837 of 1426 Yes, rescue by boaz47 Jun 24, 2003 (2:34 pm)
about 14 bucks here. I have no idea how it works and haven't found anyone that has tried it.
#838 of 1426 by ballistic Jun 24, 2003 (3:10 pm)
Silverpilot and Boaz - exactly what I was looking for. Don't know why none of my searches unearthed it. Thanks!   jb
#839 of 1426 by subewannabe Jun 27, 2003 (8:38 am)
aint misbehavin...are you? by subewannabe Jun 27, 2003 (12:34 pm) I stopped by my nearest subaru dealer yeaterday, prestige subaru in Asheville( which happens to be the biggest volume dealer in the southeast with a really great service crew that loves aftermarket tuning). they have sold 4 of the 6 XT's they received last week, and agreed to sell me whatever i want on the VIP plan at invoice . the salesman suggested taking the savings on the price of the car and getting the leather, premium sound, more sound insulation and even a sunroof if i want it on a MT through their aftermarket detail shop, under the MSRP on the Premium Package , and get better leather in the process. they had a 2003 silver XS with the premium package that included a light gray leather, and it looked so much better , IMHO, than the dark gray you can get in the XT. Likewise the beige leather in the cayenne red XS. the salesman offered his personal opinion that the AT is more than adequate performance, though, unless i was a MT purist.   one a side note, the seats on the XT are the same shape and structure as the NA forester, i.e. no meaningful thigh and side bolsters like the WRX. I really like the WRX seats and LOVE, not like, the pneumatic adjustable seat bolsters and lumbar supports on the 6-way electric adjustable leather seats, driver and passenger side,in my '94 explorer.maybe i can get an aftermarket seat set rather than just putting leather on the existing seats.( i actually considered pulling the explorer seats out and putting them in an XT and hook them up to the seat heater circuit, but i dont think that will work.)      On a serious note....in an amazing display of restraint, i turned down repeated offers to take his remaining 2 XT's on test drives, one Black AT , the other a Red MT. I decided to "do the right thing", considering all the posts in here about getting a truly "virgin" new XT and making sure it was not abused in the break in period. I was also reacting to my shock, and anger, after reading a few posts of folks who test drove XTs from dealers' very limited supply, just out of curiosity and with absolutely no intent to buy it, then blatantly ignored the manuf. recomm. break in procedures by pushing the cars to redline! somebody else can later buy the car that they have abused, and wonder why their car is losing compression at high RPM, etc., and that dealer who trusted them to test drive a car responsibly can try to appease an unhappy owner of a "new " XT and figure out whats wrong with that car and try to fix it.     the posts in here from new BUYERS like chassol and ballistic have been worth their weight in gold to people who are considering buying a new XT or just subaru enthusiasts. now we also have the reviews in the car mags coming out, driving cars provided by Subaru to be driven to the limits. if you are not buying, maybe you should give some thought to whether you would want to be the person who bought the car you test drove. Mark
#840 of 1426 then there's the 2005 legacy gt wagon by subewannabe Jun 27, 2003 (6:31 pm)
supposedly available 8-9 months from now with maybe 280 bhp, the new legacy gt turbo 2.5 awd wagon looks like a lot of high-end performance in a true wagon configuration. but is the debate over high end performance or the grunt work capability of SUV's? in the meantime , the torque numbers coming to the fore for the forester XT suggest some capabilities we havent imagined in a compact SUV. such tough choices. mark

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