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#61 of 1426 by fedlawman Mar 09, 2002 (4:48 pm)
Although the Jetta is a terrific car (and not a bad sporty sedan), there is not a stock Jetta in the country that hits 60 MPH in less than 7 seconds.   Of course, aftermarket chips are very popular for the 1.8T and make a world of difference for just a few hundred dollars.
#62 of 1426 by dudleyr Mar 10, 2002 (8:36 pm)
Regarding 7 seconds to 60. May or may not be true. I was kind of interpolating. VW does not publish 0-60 times, but Audi does, and the A4 which weighs about 250 lbs more than the Jetta (with the same engine - actually the Audi is rated with 10 fewer horsepower, but I think they are really the same) goes to 60 in 7.8 seconds. I thought last years model was right around 7.0, but I have to look that up.
#63 of 1426 by fedlawman Mar 10, 2002 (10:45 pm)
It's splitting hairs really. There's a lot more to performance than just 0-60.   A GTI with a 5-speed hits 60 in about 6.8 to 7.2 seconds, depending on the source. The Jetta is likely .5 second slower due to added weight.   Still plenty quick, and fun to drive too.
#64 of 1426 by ateixeira Mar 11, 2002 (7:16 am)
Quicker than any SUV that's even remotely close to its price. Wagons rule!   -juice
#65 of 1426 Pretty optimistic. by boaz47 Mar 11, 2002 (8:49 am)
Wagons rule even thought they are outsold by almost every other configuration of vehicle from Coupes to SUVs? I have to admit they are more than interesting in the case of utility. But they are not as sporting as Sedans and Coupes nor as utilitarian as SUVs. So if we agree they handle better than an SUV and carry more than a Sedan we would also have to admit that they handle worse than many sedans and Carry less than many SUVs. I have to admit I have not seen this kind of blind loyalty since I attended a Jeep Jamboree. At least we know who is happy with their choice of Vehicle. Maybe that AWD Vibe is worth a second look?
#66 of 1426 SUVs carry more? by ateixeira Mar 11, 2002 (9:05 am)
Not necessarily. My Forester has a 1020 pound payload, which is more than any other small SUV, and more than about half of the mid-size SUVs I cross-shopped at the time.   Remember, just because you have the space doesn't mean you can carry more. You still have a payload limit.   Also, I can put 150 lbs on my roof, while most SUVs are only rated for 75-100 or so.   Do they necessarily handle worse than sedans? Not really. BMW claims their 3 series wagon is actually 10% stiffer than the sedan.   Can you name one SUV as quick as a WRX wagon? For even 50% more money?   -juice
#67 of 1426 Juice by porknbeans Mar 11, 2002 (9:59 am)
Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't Subaru market the Forrester as a SUV not as a wagon? I understand it's built like their wagons but, it's marketed as a SUV.   To reinforce the wagon as a fun ride, a few years ago Volvo raced their wagons overseas instead of the sedans because they were both more aerodynamic and I think stiffer.   Generally speaking though, I have to agree with boaz. Wagons and the new crossovers are 'tweener vehicles WRT SUV's and sedans. You can find exceptions to the general rules but his description basically fits.
#68 of 1426 by ateixeira Mar 11, 2002 (10:30 am)
Sort of, they used to say "sport utility tough, car easy", so they talk about its hybrid nature even in print. Subaru classifies it as a car with the EPA and all other federal agencies.   I like wagons and think they are the perfect compromise. Perhaps the weight gained will cost you a 5% performance penalty, if that, but an SUV might cost you closer to 20-30% performance penalty.   -juice
#69 of 1426 wagon handling by hpulley4 Mar 11, 2002 (10:42 am)
When I test drove Saturn L-series cars, I much preferred the stiffer rear suspension and additional rear weight (thus more neutral front-rear balance) of the wagon. It is slower and gets worse mileage with a poorer drag coefficient, roof racks, extra weight, etc. but for turning and braking I found the wagon superior. Just my impressions from a couple of test drives, no scientific analysis.
#70 of 1426 Forrester SUV/Wagon? by phillyguy3 Mar 14, 2002 (7:39 am)
I think Subaru is now calling it a "Sport Wagon".IMO,the difference for a non-towing customer like me is the driver's position HEIGHT. I have been driving a Pathfinder for 6 years and will be buying a mini ute soon and although I like the Forrester's attributes, I don't want to give up the height, which is why I turned my attention to the CR-V & VUE. If only SUBARU would come out with a true SUV!

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