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#31 of 1426 re: crossing over by tidester HOST Feb 16, 2002 (2:00 pm)
revka,   Or at least add the word "crossover" to the end of the title.   "Crossing over" kind of reminds me of that John Edwards character ... not sure we want to associate with that!   tidester Host SUVs
#32 of 1426 LI by porknbeans Feb 16, 2002 (7:55 pm)
I'm not sure where your coming from with that comment but, it actually folds flat into the floor when not in use. But, yes I do believe that it does face the back.
#33 of 1426 porknbeans by li_sailor Feb 16, 2002 (8:35 pm)
I'm not sure where your coming from with that comment but...   I was just quoting directly from the Edmunds options list for the Avant.   I thought specific info would be helpful. Was it incorrect?
#34 of 1426 Li by porknbeans Feb 18, 2002 (7:39 am)
I apoligize, the rear seat in the Audi IS a removable bench. It does not fold flat into the floor like I thought, that is the MB. It is also only recommended for individuals 4'-9" or shorter. Almost useless for most adults teenagers and useful for only smaller children like you stated.
#35 of 1426 subaru exiga? by artdecho Feb 18, 2002 (8:11 am)
juice, do you remember the Subaru Exiga concept from a few years back......seems Chrysler's next-big-segment-buster Pacifica is just their take on Subaru's original idea! I don't know if it's Subaru's small size or what, but it seems to take them eons to get some of their ideas to market. They could've owned this "sports tourer" segment if they'd got their act together sooner. Is this what's finally coming in 2005?
#36 of 1426 SUBARUS by mpgman Feb 18, 2002 (9:02 am)
I think the Forrester is a really nice package. Just wish they Subaru put frames around the window glass instead of having you slam the window every time you close the door.
#37 of 1426 by ateixeira Feb 19, 2002 (8:09 am)
Correction to that article - AMC Eagle was not the first crossover. Look here: http://www.fhi.co.jp/subaru/tope00.htm Look at the 1972 tab in the time line. Subaru came out with a Leone 4WD wagon, which even had a lifted suspension and low range gearing, about half a decade before AMC. It was the 1st 4WD drivetrain in a car, hence the first true crossover. I do recall the Exiga concept. Quirky (typical Subaru) styling, but the interior is just like the Pacifica. A crossover before it's time. The 2005 may use a new GM platform, but Subaru will take the lead in development, and it'll likely use a boxer engine and AWD, true to Subie's heritage. Exiga is an older concept, so I do not think it'll be even loosely based on that. Gil: it's true, the frameless windows are double-sealed so you do have to slam them a bit. At least the design did very well in side-impace tests (Legacy, Forester hasn't been tested). Lots of other cars use them, like the Integra, ES300, and high-end Benz and Bimmer coupes. -juice
#38 of 1426 by fedlawman Feb 19, 2002 (7:40 pm)
The 3rd row seats found in the back of the wagons (Volvo, Audi, Mercedes) are, in my opinion, useless. From what I have seen, except for the presence of restraints, they are virtually the same as sitting on the floor with your legs stretched out. They are not a viable option for somewhat routine use.   I think the crossovers are the best vehicles for someone needing room for 6+, AWD, and versatile cargo capability. Vehicles such as the Pilot, Rendezvous, and MDX are more carlike in their ride and handling, while the Durango and Explorer are more trucklike.   Other 3-row options, which are better than the wagons, are the ML320 and Discovery. Their 3rd row seats hang from the sides of the rear cargo area and fold down when needed. Unfortunately, they take up a lot of space when stowed, and seem rather crude when compared to the vanishing 3rd row seats found in the aforementioned SUV's.   The Pacifica looks really good to me, although I am hesitant to trust Chrysler reliability.
#39 of 1426 by ateixeira Feb 21, 2002 (6:54 am)
I don't think they're intended for routine use. In a pinch, you can carry an extra 10 year old or two. That's good enough for many.   The Rendezvous has almost no cargo space behind the 3rd seat, so it's also not ideal for routine use. The Pilot looks better in this regard.   -juice
#40 of 1426 by fedlawman Feb 21, 2002 (4:22 pm)
You'd be surprised just how much room there is behind the 3rd row of the Rendezvous. No hard sided luggage mind you, but grocery bags, soft luggage, etc. fit just fine.   The ideal setup, of course, is a split folding 3rd row like the MDX or Pilot.

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