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#21 of 1426 An interesting upcoming SUV/Wagon compromise by cb70 Feb 15, 2002 (9:28 am)
Chrysler Pacifica http://www.canadiandriver.com/news/020107na-6.htm
#22 of 1426 ateixeira - cb70 by porknbeans Feb 15, 2002 (12:57 pm)
I'm not attracted to the Avalon aesthetically nor do I want to have a car that our illustrious State Patrol uses (to many bad memories.) You are correct WRT the V70, a wonderful choice I'll look into. My dad had a Taurus wagon....I've driven it.....don't want it. Honda Pilot is another wonderful suggestion and I'm not that offended by it's styling as some. Waiting list or it I again agree will be long. Finally, point taken with my discounting mini-vans, the Avalon, the Crown Vic and full size SUV's. However, the beauty and sometimes detriment of living where we do is that we can do that for good reasons or bad. I'll step down off of my soapbox now.   The Chrysler Pacifica is a vehicle that really makes me anxious to see what the future holds. For my needs and parameters it fills them all very well. I would also like to see the new MB GST, however I think it will be priced more than I care to think about.
#23 of 1426 Saturn LW vs. Saturn VUE by hpulley4 Feb 15, 2002 (1:04 pm)
I took my Saturn LW wagon in for an oil change yesterday and the courtesy vehicle was one of their new VUE SUVs. It isn't bad but I much prefer my wagon. It is easier to get into the lower wagon, the cargo space is more useful (VUE's cargo area is taller but not as deep), the ride of the FWD car is more refined than the higher AWD vehicle, etc.   I don't see how anyone could cross-shop wagons and SUVs. To me they are completely different classes of vehicle, even if you compare cars to SUVs based upon them.
#24 of 1426 by ateixeira Feb 15, 2002 (1:10 pm)
Pacifica will arrive next summer as a 2004 model. Subaru will have a bigger sport utility wagon for 2005, along the same lines, with 3 rows of seats.   I forgot one other, the Suzuki XL7. It just got a bigger engine, too. The 3rd seat is cramped, but at least it's there.   I didn't find the Vue comfortable when I sampled one at the DC Auto Show. The seats in the LS are much better, front and rear.   -juice
#25 of 1426 by porknbeans Feb 15, 2002 (1:36 pm)
Will the Subaru use some of that space to make the second row seat bigger? I got into the Outback wagon at the Chicago Auto Show and a local dealer and both times had to crawl out in a near fetal position. And yes, I did have the seats moved forward at the dealer. I would have to guess the back of the Suzuki would be much the same. The back of my Durango isn't much better but it's manageable for short trips and folds flat into the floor. All of these rear seats would be/are fine for my 5 year old son and his friends but not for adults.   I've owned a Saturn and will never do it again. I also would never recommend to anybody to own one.   It's getting easier and easier to cross shop the two types of vehicles because of the mixing of what makes each one an individual. What it's creating is a "new" type of vehicle referenced as either a crossover/luxury sport wagon/sport wagon/tall wagon. I personally don't think it's a fad as mentioned in Automobile magazine. I also think it's an incredibly viable alternative to SUV's because of the added fuel efficiency and driving perfomance that they typically offer. Sure, you're always going to have the individual that associates bigger with safer or desires that "commanding view of the road" but, there's also the individual that will only take public transportation or buy alternative fuel vehicles. To each his/her own. I'll get off my soapbox again.
#26 of 1426 "It's getting easier and easier to cross shop" by revka Feb 15, 2002 (3:29 pm)
Good point. And on the subject of cross shopping, here's an article from Edmunds that some of you may find interesting: The Next Big Thing. What do you think?   Tidester- Perhaps we should change the title of this discussion to "The Next Big Thing." Or at least add the word "crossover" to the end of the title.   Revka Host Hatchbacks & Station Wagons Boards
#27 of 1426 porknbeans by li_sailor Feb 15, 2002 (4:02 pm)
The choices (as far as I know) of wagons that offer these qualifications are either an Audi A6 Avant...   I'm a little confused...you mentioned seating for 6 or 7 yet isn't the Audi limited to 5?..as does the Outback.   I'm asking since the minimum 6 seating limits the choices so much.
#28 of 1426 2 cents by li_sailor Feb 15, 2002 (4:15 pm)
I don't see how anyone could cross-shop wagons and SUVs. To me they are completely different classes of vehicle, even if you compare cars to SUVs based upon them.   It's getting easier and easier to cross shop the two types of vehicles...   Interesting comments.   I think they are completely different classes...designed for fundamentally different primary functions. One is a family-oriented people + cargo vehicle that tries to stay within the "car" parameters and the other is basically a truck that is designed for heavy-duty "sports" activity such as towing, off-roading and heavy hauling.   Of course, the functions are converging in various vehicles...the wagon, which get 4WD/AWD and sometimes more clearance...the mini-ute that gets closer to car parameters...and even some sedans that get more utility-oriented.   But...I think one reason they get cross-shopped in a way that doesn't line up with the functions is when folks whose requirements line up pretty well with a wagon (or MV) go for the SUV...not because it's such a good fit...but because of the 'image' thing...and perceived safety (even though the statistics show that wagons and MVs are safer than SUVs).
#29 of 1426 li by porknbeans Feb 16, 2002 (5:35 am)
The Audi Avant is the wagon version of the A6 and has a third row of seating which brings the capacity up to 7.
#30 of 1426 porknbeans/Audi Avant - seats 7 by li_sailor Feb 16, 2002 (11:25 am)
Ah...I see now, there's an optional "Rear Facing Removable Bench Seat for Two Children". Got it. Thanks.

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