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#1407 of 1426 Re: - [dudleyr] by adp3 Apr 08, 2005 (1:50 pm)
Replying to: dudleyr (Apr 08, 2005 1:05 pm) Dudley - good points. But my bro won't drive a stick. (I agree that tires are key, even on AWD vehicles.) Hell, they wouldn't even test drive the Forester because the gear shifter looked funny (is it a "maze?")   as you can see, myt brother is NOT a "car guy"   they felt that the Vibe/Matrix was a bit tinny, but they DID like it. Can't recall if they liked the Scion. They liked whichever one starts out as a Corolla.
#1408 of 1426 gated shifter by suydam Apr 08, 2005 (3:35 pm)
they wouldn't even test drive the Forester because the gear shifter looked funny (is it a "maze?")   I was going to suggest a Mazda6 wagon but your last post makes me think the Legacy/Outback wagon might be for them (doesn't have a gated shifter, does it?).
#1409 of 1426 shifter by adp3 Apr 08, 2005 (4:08 pm)
I think the Subie DOES have a gated shifter. Are they difficult, at all?
#1410 of 1426 Re: Why Subaru? [ateixeira] by occking Apr 08, 2005 (6:20 pm)
Replying to: ateixeira (Apr 08, 2005 8:01 am) Be careful on the outback... I have had one only three months and do a ton of driving. Over 9000 miles. The abnormally low armrest was bothersome at first but I have since gotten used to it. You can get for approx $150 an extender. I am sure if I had really noticed that in my test drive I would have insisted the dealer install one as part of my deal with them. I am sure would have cost them less than $100 & installing a piece of cake.   I must admit, although I love virtually everything else about the car, I am having a hard time getting a comfortable driving position & if I had had the oportunity of taking a longer test drive might have had second thoughts. Otherwise, the vehicle is obviously great in the snow, I am getting used to the 2.5 engine which is not exactly the swiftest one around. Never tried the turbo or 6 cause I was afraid if I did I would have wanted one (to the tune of around $4000 extra plus having to use premium fuel) I might mention gas mileage is beginning to improve as the weather improves. Have been averaging 24.8 since I got the vehicle (mostly highway driving) but on a trip this week down to Harrisburg, PA (I live in Seekonk, MA) averaged almost 27. Can't tell you much abour the Forster, however.
#1411 of 1426 Gated Shifter by ateixeira Apr 11, 2005 (9:56 am)
Some models do, others don't.   I wouldn't call the VTD shifter a gated one, really, it's up and down and then has a cog to the left for manual shifting.   But that's different than the gated shifter on other auto Subies - like the Forester and Impreza.   -juice Replies to this message: adp3 (Apr 12, 2005 9:47 am)
#1412 of 1426 adp by nitromax Apr 12, 2005 (6:26 am)
How about the up and coming Audi A3 sportback for your brother?  It's a 5 door hatch with a sweet 2.0 turbo. AND a direct shift gearbox (manual without an automatic clutch) which has shift paddles on the steering wheel.   Li_sailor - I'm actually thinking of trading in my RSX for one of these babies. It probably won't happen, but I'm going to keep my eye on it though this summer to see how the feedback is on it.
#1413 of 1426 A3 by ateixeira Apr 12, 2005 (7:12 am)
A3 looks hot, I really like those. I think they nailed the styling.   -juice
#1414 of 1426 Re: Gated Shifter [ateixeira] by adp3 Apr 12, 2005 (9:47 am)
Replying to: ateixeira (Apr 11, 2005 9:56 am) well, they tried the Subies yesterday and have ruled them out. My brother's wife has a chronic wrist problem, so the shifter caused her pain. I can't judge the validity of this complaint, as I have not played with the shifter. I also don't know if some Subies have the odd shifter and some don't. Suffice it to say that the Subies are off the list.   I am sure the Audi would be a great ride, but it is way too much of a car for my bro. The latest development is they are borrowing a Camry and all the gear fits just fine in the Camry, and they really like the ride. The bass fits in the back like a middle passenger, with the neck proturding into the front seat between the passenger and driver. No, you and I would not choose to do this, but my brother likes the idea of having a "regular" car for the majority of his driving (the bass rarely goes in the car), so......   but then he talks positively about the Pontiac Vibe.   It's interesting to be talking to somebody who is so NOT a car person. For most people, buying a car is a really lousy experience. The sales people often suck. It's the biggest expenditure that most people will ever make other than buying their home. It causes a lot of angst. I'd say a small minority get any enjoyment out of it.   Interestingly, and I say this because neither my bro or his wife are "car people," they drove a Prius yesterday and LOVED it. (but you can't get one in Boston for like 6 months). I say "interestingly" because I have assumed the buyers for the Prius would NOT include people who are not car people and are not "gizmo" people, unless they are hard core environmental issue consumers. These folks fall into none of these categories, so I am surprised that even they thought it was a great car. (not commenting on whether the Prius is great; just commenting on my biases about the Prius)
#1415 of 1426 Camry by ateixeira Apr 12, 2005 (12:10 pm)
It's the Legacy and Outback that have Sportshift, and aren't gated. Forester and Impreza are gated.   Camry scores well in "ease of use" if that's what he wants.   -juice
#1416 of 1426 Hyundai by adp3 Apr 14, 2005 (4:52 pm)
they've decided on the Hyundai Tucson (whatever the new, small Hyundai SUV is)   the warranty made them really comfortable

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