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Re: Spark Plug & Wires ABUSE! [de1029]
by craigbrooks
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Jan 28, 2009 (9:07 pm)
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Replying to: de1029 (Jan 28, 2009 10:56 am)
The wires send the current to the plugs to create the spark. Faulty or defective wires can cause problems. When our shop replaces plugs (which can be a major expense) they always replace the wires. A small cost at the time, compared to the spark plug replacement, to increase power production. Power to the plugs. Why replace a burnt out bulb in a lamp if the wire is frayed causing a short or loss in transmission of the energy? The lamp will burn out again in a short time. Might as well replace/repair both at the same time. As they say..."pay me now or pay me (again) later".
BTW twice a year tooth cleanings are really not required as long as you do the preventative maintanence. Plug wires are like flossing. Kinda like X-rays. Every "few" years are ok.
Good luck!
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Re: Spark Plug & Wires ABUSE! [de1029]
by newowner10
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Jan 29, 2009 (5:57 am)
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Replying to: de1029 (Jan 28, 2009 10:56 am)
This should be less than $220. $5 per plug ($20) wires $100 1 hour labor ($100)
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Re: Spark Plug & Wires ABUSE! [newowner10]
by targettuning
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Jan 30, 2009 (6:21 am)
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Replying to: newowner10 (Jan 29, 2009 5:57 am)
unfortunately a plug (platinum) does not cost $5.00 per plug...especially at a dealership where experience (my Dodge dealer replacing plugs on a 1995 Stratus V-6) says more like $12-13.00 per plug X 4ea. or 6 ea. Wires could easily be more than $100 per set and as for 1 hour labor, well, most newer V-6 front drivers require removal of the intake manifold and associated parts to even acess the rear bank of plugs so this cost can easily exceed 1 hour labor ( going by the book ).
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Re: Spark Plug & Wires ABUSE! [targettuning]
by newowner10
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Jan 30, 2009 (9:17 am)
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Replying to: targettuning (Jan 30, 2009 6:21 am)
My 2009 I4 they are on top and I would not buy plugs and wires from a dealer. I believe you could go to a private garage and get it done for $200. I am sure you can get the Plugs for <$5 each unless Hyundai plugs are not supported by the plug manufactures. Wire set may be a dealer only item I have never checked. After market should be $60 if they are available. To be honest I have never gone to National Auto-parts or Advanced Auto-parts or Napa to see if they would laugh at me if I asked for Plugs and Wires for a Hyundai.
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Re: Spark Plug & Wires ABUSE! [newowner10]
by targettuning
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Jan 30, 2009 (12:09 pm)
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Replying to: newowner10 (Jan 30, 2009 9:17 am)
A 4 cylinder is a piece of cake compared to a transverse V-6 with all the plugs in a row and visable and yes one could probably get the plugs and wires (if applicable) changed for that hypothetical $200 even at the dealer but a V-6 is another matter. To clear up some misconceptions on your part Hyundai uses readily available name brand plugs directly from new, and no, I am not sure which brand (s) they currently use. Many of the newest cars use "coil on plug" ignitions systems eliminating the need for plug wires which is a good thing. Do not fear going to Advance, Auto Zone etc. and asking for plugs and wires and distributor caps and rotors (for those Hyundai cars that used them) because they are available for all brands including Hyundai. I see you have a 2009 so all you should need is plugs.... eventually, because I think a coil on plug system is standard on those.
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Re: Spark Plug & Wires ABUSE! [targettuning]
by newowner10
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Jan 30, 2009 (2:12 pm)
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Replying to: targettuning (Jan 30, 2009 12:09 pm)
I assumed the car he was referring to was a 2005 Hyundai Sonata that he received a $500 quote to do this at the dealer since this is a Sonata chat room. I may have wrongly assumed that it would be an I4.
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2007 I4 TIMING CHAIN
by aalsherri
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Jan 31, 2009 (5:19 pm)
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The I4 has a timing chain. This is great but I would like to know how long it should last in this engine. Usually timing chains last over 150,000 miles and usually give a lot of warning time before they actually fail.
Any history about this engine from the 2006 Sonatas with high mileage?
I like the engine in my car. It is very reliable but a little noisy.
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Re: Spark Plug & Wires ABUSE! [newowner10]
by de1029
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Feb 04, 2009 (10:46 am)
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Replying to: newowner10 (Jan 30, 2009 2:12 pm)
first, my apologies to everyone (all you kind people who put up with my questions AND provide me guidance and insight in manuvering the costs of maintenance)...for a) not providing correct information AND, b) taking so long to reply.
Car is a 2000 Sonata V6...so, all who quoted me prices...my apologies.
I am remiss in that I STILL haven't checked my maintenance bills to see WHEN was the last (dare I say, EVER) spark plug change! Since today is a snow day, I should FIND the time to do that. Car has approx. 114,000 miles...so, I am debating doing anymore maintenance (battery, timing belt [soon], spark plugs, checking fan blower noise, checking transmission sound...) and maybe just look into a new car (sorry, for some reason my mind is thinking Malibu).
Perplexed at just how much trouble it is to make repairs due to manner in which the under the hood workings are arranged...labor costs kill us.
But, I am figuring that car's lack of response is no doubt due to bad spark plugs and for this reason (and wasting gas) I should bite the bullet and have them replaced.
Someone posted that the wires should be replaced at the same time and I have come to agree with that. So, I've talked myself into doing the plugs...and then see what happens next. If car response gets smoother and doesn't balk when I step on the gas then I will have LEARNED to pay closer attention to the maintenance schedules!
Ok. Enough of me. Thanks to everyone who has responded. If anyone else has anything further to add...I am all EARS and ALWAYS eager to know more.
Joe
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Re: Spark Plug & Wires ABUSE! [de1029]
by backy
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Feb 04, 2009 (11:15 am)
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Replying to: de1029 (Feb 04, 2009 10:46 am)
Another consideration is, you are getting close to the 120k service. That is a biggie, e.g. includes timing belt, which you mentioned, and a lot of other stuff. You might add up all the maintenance the car needs, including plugs/wires and the 120k service, and consider the value of your car, and factor that into the consideration to hold onto the car or get a new one. Of course, you could do a LOT of maintenance on the Sonata for the cost of a few payments on that new Malibu. The comment about the transmission making noise is troubling though.
P.S. Has the subframe ever been checked? I have read where some Sonatas of that vintage have problems with a rusted subframe.
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Re: Spark Plug & Wires ABUSE! [backy]
by de1029
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Feb 04, 2009 (7:40 pm)
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Replying to: backy (Feb 04, 2009 11:15 am)
I remember reading about the subframe rusting problem...and, I think I asked the place where I have had all my maintenance done for the past 2 years about it and they told me there was no rust problem...but, you can be sure I will run that by them again.
As to the so-called transmission noise...when the car is in drive I hear it and in reverse...but it stops in park and neutral. Engine? but, I do believe I get some trans slippage occasionally. I've taken to warming up the car a bit longer...so as to try to avoid shifting gears too early after starting up the car.
Hey, what do I know about cars...just been USING them for almost 50 years. when they run, you are happy...when they develop prioblems, you hate them. That's why I began considering getting a new car. In the past, I let the cars nickle and dime me to death as one mechanic said to me. Unfortunately...I may go off in the opposite direction This Time in buying new!
Ah, how to get an (honest) appraisal of just what is needed to repair the car...so you can make the RIGHT decision!
Thanks for your comments. Please feel free to provide anything else.
Joe
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