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Hyundai Sonata, Sedan
#2343 of 3236 Re: -- [hyundaivictim]
Feb 19, 2008 (8:38 pm)
I have a 2001 Sonata that has become a huge money pit. First, the timing belt broke 45,000 miles, then my alternator went bad and had to get a new one. The brakes had problems after that, I had problems with the power windows and need new motors (2 for driver window, and 1 for window in back seat). The car constantly lost momentum while driving and now with no warning the engine blew. Still trying to figure out what caused this as the car has been well maintained (and yes, oil was in the motor). So now I have a 2001 broken car, that needs a new engine. I was fortunate and happened to be on a side street when the engine blew had it been five minutes later, I would have been on the interstate during rush hour traffic. Any one thinking of buying a 2001 hyundai Sonata should look at a differant vehicle. From the postings I've read, there seems to be many problems with this car.
Feb 20, 2008 (11:34 am)
Try again with someone who doesn't know anything about engines:
1.the timing belt is a maintainence item and admittedly according to the schedule should be replaced 60K miles but I have found they last much longer than that if you care to take the chance. If it broke at 45K miles there may have been a warranty claim or at least a shot that Hyundai would repair damages due to premature failure. That said, if it broke your engine( being an "interference" type) would have suffered bent valves at the least and most likely damaged piston crowns where they collided with the valves and even bent connecting rods. This damage would have required extensive engine repairs. The engine would be done at this point unless you chose to repair it.
2. Your alternator went bad? Welcome to the club bucky. I had alternators go bad on various Ford Taurus over the years. Ask any mechanic, they fail. Conversely, (knocking on wood) I currently own a 1995 Dodge Stratus that has 201,088 miles that has the original alternator. Also our son has a 2000 Elantra that recently had its original alternator fail 160K miles. You pays your money and takes your chance.
3. Brake problems? what... like worn pads? warped rotors? worn rear shoes? if something other than those things like a master cylinder for instance you might have had unusual brake problems otherwise you experienced normal wear and normal replacements.
4. power window motors? not unheard of but I'll give you that one since 3 motors IS unusual at 45K miles.
5. That your "engine blew" sometime after the timing belt broke is a surprise to me too since it probably didn't survive the broken timing belt. There is a very, very slim chance that it did survive and if so damage incurred at that time finally caught up with you and it. Sorry I don't buy it.
#2345 of 3236 Re: -- [targettuning]
Feb 20, 2008 (2:09 pm)
I am well aware of when the timing belt should be repaired. It was not covered by hyundai, and my father-in-law who is a mechanic repaired it. I have had several other cars in my life and not had as many problems with them as I have this one. As far as the engine blowing - I now have 80,000 miles and it blew - timing belt still intact no teeth missing - most of the rockers blew off. The 3 motors for the windows were quite excessive in my opinion as well. When a person buys a new car (40 miles on it when I purchased it in May 2001), you don't expect these things to happen. My ford escort never had these problems (timing belt lasted until 70,000 miles on it and alternator never went bad). I only list a few of the major issues I have had - Many problems with this car minor and major and I am talking about problems with the breaks other than pads and normal wear and tear. Also, this car was maintained very well, always taken in at the required times and oil changed frequently. According to this forum - I'm not the only person with issues.
Feb 21, 2008 (4:55 am)
My point is this: if your timing belt broke at 45,000 miles as you state then the engine would most likely have had major damage at that time and you would not have been able to drive it further until repaired. Why? because all Hyundai engines available at that time (and before you say ahha most manufacturers are the same) were "interference" engines. What that means is that the complicated dance between valves and pistons is coordinated by the timing belt. Further, there is insufficient clearance between open valves and pistons at the top of their stroke so the result of a broken timing belt is bent valves..damaged pistons and bent connecting rods when they collide at 3,000 RPM. Your engine would very likely NOT have survived the belt breaking at 45,000 miles and if you were still driving it at 80,000 miles either one of two things happened
1. you were very very lucky and the engine survived with minimal damage (which eventually destroyed it later) This possibility is a "slim to none" in my opinion.
2. You had it (the engine) replaced or repaired at 45,000 miles after the belt break.
With regard to the engine "blowing" at 80,000 miles...most of the rockers blew off??? How was that explained? The rocker arms are less than likely to cause an engine to "blow" What other damage was incurred?
3. OK three then because you say your father-in-law repaired it at that time maybe he repaired the mechanical damage as well as replacing the belt. If so maybe the "blown" engine could have been as a result of his repair (as opposed to official Hyundai parts and service)??
As I said " you pays your money and takes your chance"...that your Escort didn't break a timing belt or have an alternator fail is pure good luck on your part and has nothing what so ever to do with Ford or "Quality is job 1" It could have happened to it just as easily. And since we are talking about a 7 year old 80+ thousand mile car anyhow give me a break about failures and repairs. It happens on machinery. As a counterpoint about Hyundai quality. I bought our son a used 2000 Elantra the day after Christmas in 2003. It had 64,000 miles at the time. It currently has 180,000 miles and he uses it on a 100 mile per day commute so the miles are piling up fast. What went wrong? Since we owned it it has had as normal maintainence replacement..2 sets of spark plugs, one set of plug wires, 2 sets of 4 tires, several front brake rotors (I'll admit, the Hyundai parts didn't last too long so I bought Bendix), several sets of front pads, two timing belt replacements and water pumps at the same time as a matter of prudence, new rear wheel brake wheel cylinders, 1 set of rear wheel brake shoes, various tail/brake/and headlight bulb replacements.Oh, the automatic transmission was flushed and refilled. Other than maintainace replacements/ failures: the alternator failed 160,000+/- miles and the original battery that was ruined by the failed alternator. Two exhaust manifold/cat. converter combinations under the extended emission warranty. There was a cracking problem on the original design that was redesigned and we have had no problem since. This car continues to run strong and get over 30 mpg on his commute so you see that the name Hyundai doesn't necessarily mean..
#2347 of 3236 Bad paint problems & lousy warranty support?
Feb 20, 2008 (4:23 pm)
I have a 2005 Sonata with 27k miles on it. It's the first new car I've ever purchased. A few months ago I noticed a couple of small spots where paint was starting to peel off the outside door handles. As the problem started getting worse I finally got around to taking it to the dealership; where I was told in no uncertain terms that they were not going to be able to help me (in any way) since I was almost 4 months out of (paint) warranty. According to what they told me, Hyundai's 3 year paint warranty was better than most. To say they were unhelpful is a gross understatement. So I called Hyundai and was told that they would consider my case and render a judgment on whether to cover the repair costs. Today I came home to an answering machine message saying that they were denying coverage.
I have several questions. Is this paint problem common on Hyundais? And are are all dealers/auto-makers so unhelpful when it comes to fixing problems like mine? Would I be better off buying something other than a Hyundai next time?
#2348 of 3236 Re: Bad paint problems & lousy warranty support? [rustygutter]
Feb 20, 2008 (6:31 pm)
What color is you car?
My Sonata is an '05 also.
From time to time many manufacturers have had paint problems, usually limited to certain colors.
#2349 of 3236 Re: Bad paint problems & lousy warranty support? [rustygutter]
Feb 20, 2008 (6:37 pm)
How long of a paint warranty would you like to have on your Sonata? Five years? Ten? Maybe lifetime?
I'm not sure what you mean by "lousy warranty support." The car is out of warranty for the problem you reported. It would have been a real nice gesture for Hyundai to give you special consideration and take care of the problem even though it's not covered by the warranty. But they are under no obligation to do so.
Maybe if you had taken the car in to the dealer a few months ago, when you first noticed the problem and the car was still under warranty, it would be taken care of by now?
#2350 of 3236 Re: Bad paint problems & lousy warranty support? [bhmr59]
Feb 20, 2008 (7:13 pm)
Silver. And FWIW, the paint is only coming off on the plastic parts -- it's fine on the metal body.
#2351 of 3236 Re: Bad paint problems & lousy warranty support? [backy]
Feb 20, 2008 (7:26 pm)
How long would I have like the warranty to last? Five years would have been nice. As in the "bumper-to-bumper" warranty is 5 years. But honestly it's not just warranty length that bothers me. It's the fact that now I have an expensive repair and that neither the dealer nor Hyundai was willing to give in the slightest. I've had plenty of cars longer than 3 years -- and none of them started peeling like the Hyundai. And to top it off, I've treated the car really well. So is the peeling paint common for Hyundai, or did I just get lucky?
And to reply to your little dig about it being my own fault for not noticing that the paint didn't fall under the bumper-to-bumper warranty -- you're right. It's a mistake I won't make again. And thanks so much for rubbing my nose in it!
#2352 of 3236 Re: Bad paint problems & lousy warranty support? [rustygutter]
Feb 21, 2008 (3:57 am)
Regarding the peeling paint. Plastic trim such as your door handles, side door moldings and the outside rear view mirrors to name a few are prone to paint peeling. I think because the plastic is non friendly and non adherent to paint and primer, especially the new EPA mandated non volatile water based paints now required. It isn't such a big or expensive job to have these repainted. Just do it.! Silver has traditionally had peeling problems for decades and not only restricted to plastic parts but large sheets of paint disappear from horizontal surfaces such as hood trunk and roof.