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What is this discussion about? Dodge Caravan, Ford Explorer, GMC Envoy, Honda Odyssey, Nissan Pathfinder, Toyota Sienna, SUV, Van


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AWD vs 4 WD by smusich
Nov 02, 2008 (5:38 am)
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We're shopping for a new family car. Have a van now (mazda MPV FWD) and love a van. But we need better rough weather (snow) control. We're looking at the Sienna AWD van but now thinking about going the SUV direction.
 
Does anyone have info on the difference between AWD and 4WD?
 
Thanks
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Re: AWD vs 4 WD [smusich] by steve_ HOST
Nov 02, 2008 (7:45 am)
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Replying to: smusich (Nov 02, 2008 5:38 am)

We probably have too much info.
 
4WD & AWD systems explained
 
You'll find some details about the Sienna's AWD in the Toyota 4WD systems explained discussion.
 
If you aren't using winter tires on the MPV, you may want to research that. I drove FWD cars in snow country for a couple of decades, including minivans, and did pretty well with studded tires. They aren't legal everywhere, but winter tires like Nokians may work for you.
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Re: AWD vs 4 WD [smusich] by ateixeira
Nov 05, 2008 (1:24 pm)
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Replying to: smusich (Nov 02, 2008 5:38 am)

The catch with the AWD Sienna is you have to get those dreaded run-flat tires. They cost $800 a set, are lousy, and don't even last. Google it and you will find tons of complaints.
 
There is no room for a spare because the driveshaft takes up that space (FWD models have it underneath).
 
I own a Sienna, and I'm a fan of AWD, but I passed.
 
Get FWD and snow tires, or get something else.
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Timing chain replacement schedule for 2001 3.3L Caravan?? by bjudge
Nov 06, 2008 (5:03 pm)
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Can someone please help me! I have a 2001 Dodge Caravan SE, 3.3L 6 cylinder engine -- with 133K miles, but drives like the day I bought it. The most reliable car I've ever owned. I can find no suggested replacment schedule for the "timing chain" (not "timing belt" like the 4 cylinder engines have). If I ask the dealer, they'll probably just tell me to replace it. But does it really need replacing? And when do I do it??
 
Thanks so much
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Re: Timing chain replacement schedule for 2001 3.3L Caravan?? [bjudge] by steve_ HOST
Nov 06, 2008 (6:45 pm)
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Replying to: bjudge (Nov 06, 2008 5:03 pm)

Timing chains don't ordinarily require scheduled replacement and I don't see any replacement requirement in the Edmunds Maintenance Guide. They can wear, but your van wouldn't be driving like new if your chain or sprocket were worn. Enjoy the ride!
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Re: Timing chain replacement schedule for 2001 3.3L Caravan?? [steve_] by bjudge
Nov 08, 2008 (9:11 am)
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Replying to: steve_ (Nov 06, 2008 6:45 pm)

Thanks so much for your response!
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Re: Timing chain replacement schedule for 2001 3.3L Caravan?? [bjudge] by autowrite
Dec 28, 2008 (8:07 pm)
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Replying to: bjudge (Nov 08, 2008 9:11 am)

My 1982 Ford Travel van E150 broke a timing chain (350V8) at 278,000 kms, in 1993 and screwed up the piston timing and the cost was too much to bare so dumped it in Ford dealer's lap and used what I gaught ($750) for a 1 year old 1992 Ford Taurus, long-stoke. I currently have a 214,000 kms 2002 Honda Odyssey and replaced the timing belt (V6) and water pump at 154,000 kms. The book ways to replace the belt at 168,000 and inspect the water pump; but since the pump is in the same area it is wise to replace at the same time (no use spending double the money if the pump goes lateer). By-the-way a FWD Minivan makes more sense to me for the great cargo space over any vehcile; exvept a gas-guzzling FULL-SIZE van.
 
Ontario, Canada
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Re: Timing chain replacement schedule for 2001 3.3L Caravan?? [autowrite] by ateixeira
Dec 29, 2008 (10:08 am)
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Replying to: autowrite (Dec 28, 2008 8:07 pm)

That's still a pretty long interval. Let's see, 278k km is 164k miles. A lot of vehicles don't last that long.
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Re: Timing chain replacement schedule for 2001 3.3L Caravan?? [ateixeira] by jayhawk70
Feb 01, 2009 (11:23 pm)
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Replying to: ateixeira (Dec 29, 2008 10:08 am)

I know this is a late response, but just want to add that our 96 Grand Caravan has never had the timing belt changed or serviced, and we are at 236,000 miles.
 
Biggest service expense we've had was a transmission that needed rebuilding at 140,000 miles. That cost $1500, and the transmission has now lasted almost another 100,000 miles since the rebuild and still working fine.
 
All other problems were sometimes irritating, but relatively inexpensive and easy to fix. Two O2 sensors, 1 Manifold Air Pressure sensor, and a couple of window regulators. (did the window regulators and the MAP sensor myself).
 
In 45 years of driving all kinds of vehicles, there is nothing like a minivan for all around usefulness. Hauls an amazing amount of stuff and/or people, and in great comfort. Great for long distance trips, or short runs around town. Hauled kids to all their activities as they grew up, then moved their stuff to college, apartments, etc. Hauls lumber, including 4x8 sheets of plywood for home improvement projects, and many other bulky materials.
 
Cannot see any rational reason for a family getting an SUV unless you need to tow something big or if you live in snow country and cannot find a minivan with AWD. (of course, these days, they call a minivan with AWD a Crossover...)
 
--jayhawk
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Re: Timing chain replacement schedule for 2001 3.3L Caravan?? [jayhawk70] by mnrep2
Feb 02, 2009 (3:10 am)
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Replying to: jayhawk70 (Feb 01, 2009 11:23 pm)

I have to second your sentiments about the "lowly" minivan! We don't have kids but have always owned one because I demonstrate equipment. Except for a full size suburban, there isn't an suv out there that can carry the cargo a mini van can, and still offer low 20's mpg, while offering a car like ride.
 
I don't carry equipment around as often as I used to but we will still always have one minivan in the fleet.

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