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Re: 10,000 mile oil changes [dagwood2] by steve_ HOST
May 04, 2009 (6:33 pm)
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Replying to: dagwood2 (May 04, 2009 5:17 pm)

I don't think you can't tell anything about engine oil by looking at it.
 
The Dark Oil Myth
 
Are oil changes every 3,000 miles really needed?
 
I use dead dino in my minivan and have pushed the usual recommended 7,500 interval out to 11,000 miles at least once. It's a '99 and ~133,000 miles on it. Oil's a lot better than it used to be.
 
If you really want to know what shape your oil is in, pay the $20 for an analysis.
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Re: 10,000 mile oil changes [dagwood2] by tomk17
May 05, 2009 (5:00 am)
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Replying to: dagwood2 (May 04, 2009 5:17 pm)

dagwood2, you are a little too old school. Virtually all car companies have extended oil change intervals over the past 5 years at least and it's not just because they want to show a lower cost of ownership although that's part of it. Do you really think Honda, Toyota, BMW, etc would sacrifice their engine reputations just to show low cost of ownership? I don't. The 3000 mile rule is out the window with today's engine and oil technology. I agree with you the oil filter is often the lowest common denominator but still, most good filters do their job to 10K miles. I've seen several oil analysis results (from the companies you send in a sample to) that show the oil is still performing at 8-10K miles.
 
I have NOT seen proof that 3-5K mile oil changes extend the life of the engine. I HAVE however seen first hand proof that 10K mile changes with synthetic oil and a good filter does not impact the life of the engine.
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Re: 10,000 mile oil changes [sailorboy1] by bigdadi118
May 05, 2009 (5:47 am)
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Replying to: sailorboy1 (May 04, 2009 2:46 pm)

Honda recommends to change the oil in 12 months if the mileage didn't trigger the M.M.
 
My M.M. told me for oil change after first 5,000 miles, then 8,000 miles later and MM shows I still have 40% left. I think may be a change of acceleration habit, now I accelerate slower and off the gas pedal earlier.
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Re: 10,000 mile oil changes [tomk17] by dagwood2
May 05, 2009 (9:25 am)
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Replying to: tomk17 (May 05, 2009 5:00 am)

I have a 13 year old vehicle with a supercharger, which creates boat-loads of heat. Plus, I drive in a dusty environment, where it can be 100 degrees in the summer, -10 in the winter and I climb/descend over 3,000 ft to commute to my job. I don't care what they say, and anyway my manual has the severe duty at 3000 miles. You say most good filters do their job to 10k... I don't know what you call a good filter, there are only a few I'll use, but a couple of friends of mine and I did both a lot of research about filters, then a sort of hands on test, using different filters and seeing how long it took for the oil to get dirty. Only Mobile 1, Pure One, and AMSoil stood up to 3000 miles, much less ten. Fram is junk, even the ToughGuard.
So if you want all that junk floating around your engine for 5-7k miles, go ahead. I like my car.
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Re: 10,000 mile oil changes [dagwood2] by steve_ HOST
May 05, 2009 (9:35 am)
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Replying to: dagwood2 (May 05, 2009 9:25 am)

You sound like the perfect candidate for an oil analysis. Why guess?
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Recommended Engine Oil (Viscosity) by trcm
May 05, 2009 (2:09 pm)
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My wife and I purchased a new 2007 Honda CR-V in late 2007 (November). The vehicle had 45 miles on it when we drove it off the lot. As with any new vehicle (and being old school), we were careful to drive it easy for the first few thousand miles to ensure proper break-in. The vehicle currently has less than 10K miles, and I do my own oil service every 3K using Castrol 5-20W (recommended viscosity), and new Honda filter. After the vehicle had approxinmately 5K miles on it, we took a trip from Central California to Los Angles and back (approx. 700 miles RT). Upon our return, I noticed that the oil level was down nearly 1/2 quart on the stick. After another regular oil change followed by another 500-mile trip, I found the oil to be a bit low on the stick again. Honda recommends using 5-20W oil. However, living in a more moderate climate (Central California), I can't help to wonder if the 5-20W viscosity isn't too thin for our conditions! I wrote a letter to Honda expressingf my concerns and they resopnded that I need to continue using the 5-20W, and add oil if needed. Am I over reacting here, or has anyone else had this experience? Does anyone use a heavier (5-30W) viscosity?
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Re: Recommended Engine Oil (Viscosity) [trcm] by Mr_Shiftright HOST
May 05, 2009 (2:17 pm)
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Replying to: trcm (May 05, 2009 2:09 pm)

What would you estimate your oil mileage to be, per quart?
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Re: Recommended Engine Oil (Viscosity) [Mr_Shiftright] by trcm
May 05, 2009 (2:25 pm)
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (May 05, 2009 2:17 pm)

Using the info I provided (1/2 quart in about 700 miles) would extend out to be approximately 1400 miles per qt. It doesn't appear to be a problem with short (around town) trips, just at highway speeds.
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Re: Recommended Engine Oil (Viscosity) [trcm] by Mr_Shiftright HOST
May 05, 2009 (2:38 pm)
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Replying to: trcm (May 05, 2009 2:25 pm)

Well I think as long as you are under warranty, you'd best go with the type of oil stated in your owner's manual or on the oil cap itself.
 
You'll need a longer test to test oil consumption. You might have the dealer check your PCV valve, and also complain about oil consumption. Maybe there's a leak you can't see. At least the complaint will be recorded.
 
Generally, there's no cause for alarm here unless you continue testing and find that the oil consumption in miles per quart is slowly increasing as the miles pile up. An engine can use some oil and run forever, but when it drops to say one quart per 1000 miles, that really gets my attention, especially on a newer vehicle.
 
Next oil change, try to measure it very accurately. And make sure the dealer makes note of this on the repair order....and check the PCV system.
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Re: 10,000 mile oil changes [sailorboy1] by lzc
May 05, 2009 (7:42 pm)
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Replying to: sailorboy1 (May 04, 2009 2:46 pm)

The beauty of Honda's system is that finally an automaker has incorporated the obvious in their service schedule recommendations: all mileage is not the same. I guess a 3,000 mile oil change interval makes sense if one assumes everyone drives under the worst conditions possible.
 
But they don't. Some people drive mostly on freeways and at moderate speeds and live in an area with a mild climate. For them, a longer interval between oil changes makes sense. Honda's system attempts to account for these differences. It makes sense to me.

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