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#2549 of 6957 Once more into the breech
Mar 14, 2005 (11:08 am)
Okay, okay, okay... <Varmint doing his Strongbad impression.>
It looks like I'm going to have to do an FAQ on this subject.
What is PTTR?
The problem with pulling to the right is when the vehicle tries to turn when you are holding the wheels steady and straight. It is most definitely a pull. It is not a drift.
If the vehicle is drifting off to the right only when your hands are off the wheel, you do not have PTTR. Maybe ADD, though.
Torque steer is not the same thing as PTTR. As described in post #2537 (and many others), torque steer is a problem with many FWD vehicles with a transversely-mounted engine. PTTR will happen even when your foot is off the accelerator. Torque steer will not. If your car only pulls when you have your foot hard on the gas, you are causing torque steer. You do not have PTTR.
How long has PTTR been around?
Since the CR-V was introduced to North America in 1997. In other parts of the world, the CR-V was available as a 1996 model, but I'm English-only so I haven't been able to check for PTTR in non-english markets. Anyway, I read reports of PTTR back to 1998 when I first starting looking into the CR-V for purchase. Please note, the 1996-2001 CR-V has a completely different engine, chassis, and suspension (double wishbone vs Mac strut) versus the 2002-present models.
Can it be fixed?
Yes. But not it's not always easy. Some owners have solved PTTR by simply rotating their tires. Some have fixed it with a full four-wheel alignment. Some fixed it by changing their tires completely. Many have reduced the pull, but not fixed it completely with those methods. For others, none of these changes have fixed it.
What has Honda done about it?
The PTTR problem appears to have a variety of causes. So it is difficult to provide one fix for the issue. In January, 2003 Honda issued a Technical Service Bulletin (TSB) on the subject. This is TSB# 03-004. Honda reported that a poorly aligned damper spring (or the bump stop flange) can cause the symptoms we know as PTTR.
That said, this TSB was published for a range of VIN numbers, restricted to 2002 and 2003 CR-Vs. As we know, the problem shows up in CR-Vs going back to 1997 and even now with 2005 models. So, it appears this change fixes one of the causes for PTTR, but not all.
Here's the VIN range.
2002 CR-V 4WD (auto) - All England produced (VIN begins with SHS)
2003 CR-V 4WD EX (auto) - From VIN SHSRD788.3U100001 thru SHSRD78X.3U108790
2003 CR-V 4WD LX (auto) - From VIN SHSRD788.3U100001 thru SHSRD78X.3U108913
What should I do if I have PTTR?
Take the vehicle to a dealer/mechanic and work with them on a solution. After 250 posts on the subject in various threads, I think we can safely assume that additional posting about it will not get us any closer to a solution.
#2550 of 6957 CRV drive shafts 04 vs 05
Mar 14, 2005 (2:19 pm)
As a follow-up, I checked with my local Honda dealership parts department, and they confirm the 05 CRV uses the identical drive shafts as used in the 04 - same part numbers. So no new drive shaft design exists for 05.
#2551 of 6957 Re: Pulls to the right... [steve royal]
Mar 14, 2005 (4:57 pm)
Since I have had the Honda dealer touch up the alignment it seems better but not perfect. I could live with it now but over the next few months I'm going to keep complaining.
What I meant about foot off the gas is, when this is done, there is no torque applied to the front tires so the PTTR will seem less pronounced. I'm told that the CRV has equal front drive shaft lengths so there should not be any torque pull under acceleration as in other vehicles with unequal length drive shafts.
Other than that the vehicle is great and 25MPG wow!
#2552 of 6957 Re: Pulls to the right... [hamman1]
by steve royal
Mar 14, 2005 (5:13 pm)
I'm glad to hear that the alignment helped on yours. I had mine aligned twice and tires rotated once. Unfortunately, neither helped. I'll keep trying all options until it's fixed. Like you say, it's a shame because other than the vehicle going right with a mind of its own, the CRV is everything else I had hoped for. Oh well... Steve
#2553 of 6957 Re: Well, Steve... [isellhondas]
by steve royal
Mar 14, 2005 (5:43 pm)
You wrote: I did ask the guys in service and they knew nothing about this "problem" you talk about. (referring to the problem of CRV pttr)
I trust you are providing the 'guys in service' with all of the valuable info varmint took alot of time to post. It's a shame that all of this info that people on this Board post (such as service bulletins) are not considered by the people servicing the CRVs (at least wherever you are at). BTW, which dealership is it where you asked the guys in service that replied they had never heard of the problem. I'd hate for all of the Honda dealers to be labeled as having responded that way. Steve
#2554 of 6957 02 CRV Wheel Nut Torque Spec
Mar 14, 2005 (7:44 pm)
Anyone know the torque spec for the lug nuts on an 02 CRV?
#2555 of 6957 Torque specs and PTTR
Mar 15, 2005 (6:09 am)
I am 99% positive it is 80. Our 2002 CRV-EX has 60K and I always loosen and retighten the lug nuts to 80 every time the tires are rotated. I have never had any problems with brake pads or rotors to this point....all still operating well with original pads and rotors.
Just to throw in my $.02 on PTTR. We had a slight PTTR problem when the vehicle was new. I took it to the dealer and had them check the alignment. They rotated the tires (which helped some...but not enough) and said the alignment was within Honda parameters. I demanded that they realign to exact spec and not just "within Honda parameters". Rotating the tires and realignment eliminated about 70-80% of my PTTR problem. At 18K miles I replaced those horrible Dueler tires with some Michelin tires from Costco and now the V tracks perfectly down the highway with zero pull to either side. Of course I do have a small amount of torque steer if I tromp the accelerator but not much reason to be doing that driving a CRV.
#2556 of 6957 '98 CRV - Stutter and lag upon acceleration
Mar 15, 2005 (8:50 am)
Around the same time that this first occurred, my check engine light turned one. It consistently turns on for a while and turn off for a while. When I accelerate, the cars jitters, but a quick burst of acceleration seems to clear it temporarily though.
Someone suggested it could just be the spark plugs but I heard a whole list of problems from someone else. Any thoughts on what this could be? Thanks for your help.
#2557 of 6957 Re: '98 CRV - Stutter and lag upon acceleration [rkira]
Mar 15, 2005 (12:05 pm)
Afraid it could be a lot of things. We can give you list of stuff that *might* fix that problem, but with so many possibilities I think this is one of those that requires popping the hood and futzing around. Take it to a mechanic you feel good about and ask them to check it over.
#2558 of 6957 Wheel Alignment Specs 04 vs 05
Mar 15, 2005 (1:17 pm)
As a follow-up, I checked with my local Honda dealer for the wheel alignment specs for 04 (no VSA) and 05 (with VSA). The specs are identical as follows:
Camber Front: 0 degrees, 00 min. +/- 45 min.
Rear: -1 degree, 00 min. +/- 45 min.
Caster Front: 1 degree, 45 min. +/- 1 degree
Total Toe-in Front: 0 mm +/- 2 mm
Rear: 2 mm +2 mm/-1 mm