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You are in the Honda CR-V
What is this discussion about?
Honda CR-V, SUV
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Aug 30, 2004 (1:51 pm)
I understand how julia must feel. A new car is a big purchase. If you are going to spend all that money you want a product that is going to work & of course be safe. Having a new car let you down time & again is equally dishearting.
I have a 1997 accord 4 cyn. Now if the tech does a sloppy job of changing the oil & filter, I will smell buring oil, but not much. Other times I wont smell a thing, which tells me it is more of a tech doing a bad job rather than a design flaw. Same thing could be said for many things like someone flying a plane incorrectly can cause injury or using a chainsaw. sorry sarcasm
I must say that honda make damn good cars(& I dont work for honda/dealer/car industry). I look at other forums for other cars and I must say honda does not have nearly the same amount of promblems as others. Not to say they are trouble free, but if I'm going to choose between a ford escape or crv, I'm going with the crv!
Bottom line: change yr own filter. cant do that, no problem. when you go to have your oil tell the tech. " hey, you heard about the fires. PLease make sure this is done correctly. take your time. dont spill oil. check the gasket. double check the gasket. thank you"
Hopefully you will stop having problems.
Aug 30, 2004 (2:12 pm)
1. Many cars have caught fire because of pinched gaskets or double gaskets. This problem is not unique to CR-Vs. In fact, Craig suggested this as a possibility when we first heard about Sabrina's fire. That was long before the Honda and the NHTSA published their report after the investigation.
Think about it. Why would he suggest that the doubled gaskets might be the problem if it had never happened to another car before?
2. If Honda changes the gaskets, there is still the possibility of having the stacked gasket problem. You just have two different gaskets stacked on top of each other.
3. I'm not defending Honda. I'm defending (not so) common sense. You don't have any facts to support the accusations you have made. We do not have enough information to be jumping to conclusions. Here in the USA we do not pronounce people guilty until proven innocent.
Now, I'm perfectly willing to agree that we have a problem here. The rate of CR-V fires appears to be higher than "normal". But I do not claim to understand the nature of the problem.
We know that the majority of these fires have been the result of stacked and pinched gaskets. That is the only cause we have seen consistently. That by itself is not a design flaw. As posted above, it can happen to any car. The responsibility of checking for a stacked gasket belongs to the Technician.
So, pardon me if I think that is the first thing that Honda should address.
And before anyone else jumps on me for that. I also believe that Honda (and the NHTSA) should continue to investigate the issue. Each fire and oil leak needs to be documented and studied. The more they know about it, the better off they are with finding a real solution with a chance of fixing the problem. I think it would be worse if they just changed the O-ring and told everyone "problem fixed" without being absolutely certain.
Aug 30, 2004 (2:46 pm)
Sabrina, I read that last one before you deleted it. Did you misread my last post?
#1649 of 6957 brakes, at 26k miles?!
Aug 30, 2004 (4:29 pm)
OK, gang, I have already had the rear rotors replaced on my '03 EX, and now at 26k miles, the front rotors are to be replaced, too! I spoke to the technician on the phone and he says that if I do not follow the service guide and have the brakes serviced every 15k miles, then the brake dust could accumulate and stop the pads from fully retracting, leading them to drag on the rotors and eventually wear out, damaging the rotors. I got the new rear ones covered under warranty, and the front ones will be, too, but I have to pay for the front pads (a consumable) and the labor to have them put on. Seems strange that the brake system is THAT particular to servicing, but after this I shall not fail to have the service done, especially since I will have to pay for the next set of rotors. Oh, and $50 for new pads, plus labor to put them on! Ouchie. Still, $100 for new pads and rotors... gotta think long term here. Thoughts?
Aug 30, 2004 (5:30 pm)
The bottom line is the CRV can catch fire if the tech does a poor job on the oil change..that is pretty severe for something as routine as an oil change. Its a design flaw with the CRV, no doubt about it, and I have not seen many other cars catching fire from leaking oil. I would love to see stats on that compared to a CRV.
The only great thing about this car is it's high resale value - makes it easy to trade in!. BTW, do Pilots have this problem?
Aug 30, 2004 (6:22 pm)
I went back and reread your comments and realized I had.
#1652 of 6957 Thanks everyone............
Aug 30, 2004 (8:25 pm)
Thanks for all your input. You all are great and very helpful. I have learned a lot just by reading all the posts about all sorts of things.
Aug 31, 2004 (9:07 am)
Autosaurus - Yes, it is possible with other cars. As mentioned above, that is how Craig knew it might be the cause long before the NHTSA and Honda released their findings.
Fires are not uncommon, folks. A quick google search came up with 44 NHTSA reports of fires in GM's 3.8L engines. In addition to those reported to the NHTSA there have been 565 complaints to GM. There have been 35 reports of fires with the Toyota Camry and another 3 for the Altima.
Yes, a fire is a severe result for something as routine as changing your oil. So is hitting a pedestrian because you decided to change the radio station at the wrong moment. Do you know how many accidents are caused by minor distractions like coffee, cell phones, car stereos, and children in car seats? Why don't we outlaw all of those dangerous things, as well?
I'm sorry, but the severity of an issue has nothing to do with where the fault lies.
Sabrina - No problem. It seemed like an honest mistake.