Last post on Nov 05, 2008 at 2:00 PM
You are in the Subaru Forester
What is this discussion about?
Subaru Forester, Toyota RAV4, SUV
#546 of 617 Roll Protection
Feb 12, 2007 (8:45 am)
Some factors I see here...
The new RAV4 models have stability control, and that might help prevent something like that from happening.
The exception is a situation where the model is "tripped", i.e. when it hits a curb or something and that triggers the roll, in those cases VSC really won't help at all, unless it intervenes and prevents you from hitting the object, or at least reduces your speed.
Your situation seems to fall under that type of scenario, i.e. it was tripped and the ground was slippery so traction was limited, so let's look at other things.
The new model has a longer wheelbase and weighs more, so it would take more energy and probably higher turning angles to trip the newer models. Not sure about the center of gravity, though, we would need more data. It sure does look tall.
Toyota still registers the RAV4 as a truck, so it doesn't have to meet the roof crush standards that apply to cars (specifically, a car's roof must be able to hold up 150% of the car's own weight).
That doesn't mean it doesn't meet the standards, only that it doesn't have to. Again, we probably need more data to make a judgement on whether or not there is extra protection compared to the 2002 model you drove.
Side curtain air bags are available, and in that situation I'd rather have those, too.
Now, looking at the Forester, Subaru has not yet installed side curtain air bags, but it does have side head/torso air bags that protect the driver's head (but not the rear seat passenger).
The Cross Sports model has stability control, but others don't. I'd recommend that model for you.
The B-pillar Subaru uses is so ridiculously sturdy that firemen actually complained to them that the "jaws of life" tools they have on crash sites was not able to cut through them. If I were to roll a vehicle on its side, I'd certainly want that kind of protection from side intrusion as well as keeping the roof from caving in. I'll post a pic below of the B-pillar in question.
It's naturally much lower to the ground, and more inherently stable. So yes, I think if fear of a roll over is a big concern, the natural choice would be the Subaru.
Please keep in mind that the likelihood is actually very miniscule, and that driving at safe speeds for existing conditions is what's really needed to ultimately guarantee your safety.
#547 of 617 B-pillar on Forester
Feb 12, 2007 (9:17 am)
Does that apply to all years of forester or specific years?
#548 of 617 Re: B-pillar on Forester [tazereli]
Feb 12, 2007 (9:27 am)
MY2003 and later. Even though it didn't seem like a big change to the exterior, the structure was new. They also went with aluminum bumper beams front and rear, plus aluminum roof rails, to lighten up and toughen up the structure.
Prior models did well on crash tests compared to others in the class at the time, but the 03 model really shined in both NHTSA and IIHS crash tests.
#550 of 617 Re: Roll Protection [jeffmc]
Feb 13, 2007 (8:09 am)
Yeah, Toyota actually produces a short wheelbase RAV4 for Europe, and that model is more equivalent to the current Forester. They probably will not bring it here, as the Matrix is supposed to grow to fill that gap. Plus they have the new xB 2.4l.
Of course the new Impreza is about to come out, and then the new Forester should arrive next spring. We'll see what Subaru does in terms of size. Lots of people actually want it small, and don't want it to grow.
I wouldn't mind them building 2 wheelbases, like Toyota does, and selling them both here. A SWB sporty one, and a LWB people mover.
#551 of 617 Spare tire
Feb 26, 2007 (12:21 pm)
I'm trying to decide between the XT Sport and the Rav4 V6 sport, and am torn between them. I do like the fact that the Rav4 comes with a full size spare. My question is, can I fit a full size spare under the foam compartment that the temp spare is currently in on the XT?
Thanks in advance!
#552 of 617 Re: Spare tire [mizumi]
Feb 26, 2007 (12:59 pm)
All indications are that yes, it will fit.
I did this with our 2002 Legacy - put a full size spare and removed the foam insert.
06 was just a face-lift, and the 05s had full size spares of the exact same size.
#553 of 617 Re: Spare tire [ateixeira]
Feb 26, 2007 (5:51 pm)
Yes on a full size spare.
It was designed for it and before the 06, they were full size. As part of my trade in deal on my 04, I got my full size spare from my 04 and put it in my 07.
One thing though. There are foam storage things that sit on the tire. They are different for the full size vs the mini spare. The advantage of the mini spare version is that you can store your protective cover in it. YOu can't with the full size spare version. YOu may need to order that piece or go hunting junked ones...
#554 of 617 Re: Spare tire [kavoom]
Feb 27, 2007 (7:57 am)
On our Legacy I just left it void. I guess there is no such cover, since it never was made for a full sizer. But it's fine, it actually fills up the space just with the tire.
#555 of 617 Re: subaru forester or rav4 V6- a difficult call to make [fjhandir]
May 12, 2007 (2:15 pm)
I currently own a 2001 Forester "s" premium. The car has been the wisest car buy I've made. That said, I'm about to sell it and buy a Toyota RAV4. why? One reason: the rear leg room in the forester is pitiful. This has never been an issue until now, but rear facing car seats don't fit in the forester unless you put it in the middle with the car seat protruding between the 2 front seats. Add one more child, and you must be able to fit the car seat directly behind a front seat. To my knowledge all Subarus (not sure about Tribeca, but we hate minivans) suffer from this problem. This is disappointing as I'd buy another subaru in heartbeat, but for some reason they make three vehicles (Legacy, Forester, Outback) all pretty much the same size. Very frustrating.