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Subaru Forester, Toyota RAV4, SUV
#239 of 617 Re: Thanks again [chrisl22]
Mar 30, 2006 (10:55 pm)
'07 Outback models will see XM radio offered, and an aux. input for iPods/other MP3 players. I suspect there will also be a memory setting on the power driver's seat, since that upgrade has been confirmed for the '07 B9 Tribeca.
Not sure if it's still accurate, but back in June, a FHI exec said Legacy (and therefore presumably Outback) would receive a "freshening" in 2007. Don't know if he means 2007 model year, or calendar year, and don't know if he's referring specifically to the Japanese market, which usually gets this kind of thing first. See below. Incidentally, Subaru of America later denied that the minivan mentioned in the story would be sold in the US.
YUZO YAMAGUCHI | Automotive News
Posted Date: 6/21/05
TOKYO -- Fuji Heavy Industries Ltd. may build a Subaru minivan for sale in global markets, including the United States.
The seven-seat minivan would offer Subaru features: all-wheel drive and a boxer engine, says Ikuo Mori, chief general manager of Fuji Heavy's overseas sales and marketing division. Fuji owns Subaru.
"Given our company size, we need to make it a global car," Mori says. He declines to say when the minivan might be ready for the United States.
Subaru sells four cars in the United States: the Baja, Forester, Impreza and Legacy, and one light truck: the B9 Tribeca.
In Japan, the minivan would be a replacement for the Subaru Traviq, a rebadged Opel Zafira that General Motors assembled in Thailand. GM stopped building the minivan for Subaru in December, about three years after Fuji Heavy sold it in Japan.
Last year, Traviq sales here plunged 36.1 percent from a year earlier to 1,847. Fuji Heavy said sales were poor because the minivan lacked Subaru specialties, all-wheel drive and a boxer engine.
Meanwhile, Mori says the company plans to freshen the Legacy in 2007 and redesign it in 2009. The Legacy is Subaru's best seller in the United States. "
As far as pricing goes, I don't think it'll go significantly lower on the '06s. The current $2000 rebate is pretty good, and inventory will only drop since the factory has stopped taking orders for '06 models.
fitzmall.com is a great way to find a target price to use as leverage when you're negotiating. They've got automatic Outback Limiteds starting from about $24,500. Invoice is $27,227, so they're selling for about $2700 below invoice, with the rebate included. A California-spec vehicle would be a couple hundred more, so I think about $24,700 would be as low as you could go.
Anything up to $25,400 I'd consider a good deal, and wouldn't bite on anything higher. If you get any options, be sure you get those at invoice, as well.
I think I've used up more than my two cents' worth of advice here. Hope this gives you some ammunition. Good luck! As juice said, let us know how it all turns out.
#240 of 617 Re: Subaru SE Packages [lmn908]
Mar 31, 2006 (7:23 am)
The SE packages are a steal, you're almost forced to buy them. Same for the Outback Sport SE.
#241 of 617 Rav4 vs. Subaru Forester
Apr 01, 2006 (4:50 am)
I just recently test drove both the 06 RAV4 and Subaru Forester. I own a Subaru Outback(96) which despite great repair record in Consumer Reports has been a disappointment. Just over 100,000 miles, the thing began leaking oil from about every gasket in the engine. All told, about $1900.00 in gasket replacement work and this week, I was told the rear cam seal needs replacement ($800.00). When I asked the dealer about the problem, they told me "these thing wear out". It looks like Subaru is using the same engine in the Forester and when I went to drive it, I asked about the oil leaks. The sales guy told me that all cars have oil leaks when they get older and Subaru makes a great engine. I have owned lots of cars and driven most well past 100,000 miles and have never seen such gasket failure.
So I drove the Forester anyway. Nice car. A little more bumpy than the Outback. The Toyota dealer is next door so after driving the Outback, I went across the lot and drove the Rav4. Similar ride, but the RAV is MUCH quieter on the road. It looks like they are about the same size as far as cargo, etc. The RAV is a bit more expensive and no dealer incentives yet. MPG is about the same, but you can get the RAV in a 2WD version and up the mileage by about 3MPG.
With my worries about the Subaru engine and the road noise, I bought the 2wd RAV. I will have to do another posting in 10 years to see if the Subaru Dealer "all cars leak oil" statement holds up.....
#242 of 617 Re: Rav4 vs. Subaru Forester [muzikg]
Apr 01, 2006 (6:55 am)
It's unfortunate about your engine, but I think you just had the bad luck of the draw. I wouldn't want a 2wd RAV4 due to the amount of snow, but I do think the value equation goes to the Forester and it's a proven vehicle. The turbo version is a blast. But Toyota offers more luxury amenities in the RAV4.
The Forester overall has one of the best reliability and safety records. And the RAV4 is a Toyota. FWIW.
Good luck with your new vehicle.
#243 of 617 Re: Rav4 vs. Subaru Forester [muzikg]
Apr 01, 2006 (10:28 am)
I will have to do another posting in 10 years ...
Don't wait THAT long! You'll miss all the fun here.
#244 of 617 Re: Rav4 vs. Subaru Forester [muzikg]
Apr 01, 2006 (8:33 pm)
I don't think 10 years is an unreasonably short time for the seals/gaskets to get brittle/worn - it's not the mileage as much as the age. But I'm no mechanic. *shrug* Have you had any other problems with the car? Just replacing all the seals/gaskets once every 10 years seems pretty reliable to me.
I'm sure the RAV will be an excellent and reliable vehicle for you. Congrats! They feel quite roomy, especially rear legroom. I have friends who were looking at the new RAV, but were turned off by having to pay extra for side airbags, daytime running lights, roof rack, cargo cover, etc.
#245 of 617 Congrats. Re: Rav4 vs. Subaru Forester [muzikg]
Apr 02, 2006 (6:17 am)
Congrats, and good luck with your new RAV.
From your EPA mileage talk, it sounds like you got the 2.4 liter engine. That is a strong-pulling 4-cylinder. My gf has it in her '02 Solara, and it is impressive.
Let us know how you like it.
#246 of 617 Re: Rav4 vs. Subaru Forester [muzikg]
Apr 04, 2006 (8:40 am)
Congrats on the RAV4.
For the 99-02 models Subaru offered a 7/100 warranty on the gaskets if you agreed to let them use a coolant conditioner. After 02 the gaskets have been fine. That's reflected in both Consumer Reports (Engine reliability ratings improve) and from what we've observed here on Edmunds.
We have 5 Subarus in the family and none have ever had leak issues. Sorry 'bout your luck.
#247 of 617 The 2001 Forester
Apr 10, 2006 (7:16 pm)
After I've been really researching (and driving) new Outbacks and Foresters -- and getting good advice here, a friend of mine is now selling a 2001 Forester for his brother in law that seems to be in very good shape with low miles (53000) and has been well serviced. So I'm thinking of maybe buying this now instead of a new car, for two main reasons: for one thing, what I'd *really* want is a hybrid Subaru, and I'm thinking that this used Forester might nicely tide me over until 2009 or so when Subaru might do something really new. My second reason for maybe buying this 2001 Forester is that since I negotiate a two-mile dirt road every week that is in bad condition sometimes during the winter I wasn't relishing banging/dirtying up a brand new car so quickly.
So now I have this question: was the 2001 Forester a good vintage? This car's more or less dropped right in front of me in good condition with these low miles. Of course, the price compared to new is very desirable. My friend was asking $12,500 for it, but I could probably get it for something less than that. What do you think?
#248 of 617 Re: The 2001 Forester [chrisl22]
Apr 11, 2006 (4:05 pm)
I have a 2001 Forester S with the 5 speed manual transmission. They had some clutch problems that Subaru fixed under warranty, as well as a leaking headgasket. I also had one bad rear wheel bearing. These were somewhat common problems with the 2001, as well as a few other years. I also had to replace a coil pack and catalytic converter. With all that, you'd think I'd hate my car, but I really do love it. I currently have 133,000 miles on mine. I'd probably replace it with another 5 speed Forester if I were buying a new car tomorrow, but I anticipate having this car for several more years, and into the 200K mile range.
Hope this helps.