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Subaru Forester, Toyota RAV4, SUV
#202 of 617 Re: I picked the Forester [socal2]
Mar 22, 2006 (1:32 pm)
To CRV's credit, it does come standard with an engine immobilizer, so that kind of negates the standard alarm on the Forester, to me. CRV has more interior room and also stability control, though stability control may not be needed as much on the Forester, since Forester still has a better rollover rating than the stability-equipped CRV. CRV also has 4-wheel disc brakes with Electronic Brake Distribution - Subaru requires you to step up another $2800 to the X Premium, to get 4-wheel discs and EBD. Which they'd make that standard. Forester seems to have the advantage in every other way.
Particularly with the current $2000 rebate on the X, you're right - Forester is by far the best buy, and has the lower insurance rate, too. If you got that vehicle for $5000 off the $23,867 MSRP, for a price of $18,867, you got a truly amazing deal! To the best of my knowledge, that's under dealer cost (invoice minus $750 holdback?)! Not sure where they're making a profit on that one.
#203 of 617 Re: I picked the Forester [jeffmc]
Mar 22, 2006 (1:43 pm)
I test drove the CRV 4WD and it did not appeal to me. It did not handle as well as the RAV4 or Forrester (I thought), so did not feel as comfortable driving it. Forrester and RAV had nicer interior, too, each in a different way. Overall, Forrester is "rugged and outdoorsy" while RAV is "refined and smooth". And CRV was just bland. I also did not like the steering-column-mountered gear shifter. Reminds me too much of American cars!
So now it's back to the RAV4 vs Forrester. It seems like RAV4 is a step above in refinement, and has some nice safety features Ė vehicle stability control, brake assist, and side curtain airbags. Still, the price difference between the two is $3,500 which makes it very difficult to make a decision. Forrester can be had under invoice, while RAV4 is about $1,000 over.
Iím comparing Forrester X auto (options: auto-dimming mirror, bumper protector, all-weather mats, cargo tray, splash guards) with RAV4 4WD 4-cyl (options: side curtain air bags, alloy wheels, roof rack, floor/cargo mats, cargo cover).
#204 of 617 Re: I picked the Forester [kc456]
Mar 22, 2006 (2:25 pm)
Wait 5-6 months and the RAV4 will be down to around invoice pricing. It's still very fresh and initial demand is high. Avalong prices were the same way, now they're down to earth.
#205 of 617 Re: I picked the Forester [ateixeira]
Mar 22, 2006 (2:44 pm)
yes, BUT -- we kind of want the car now! And the Forrester deal will go away soon, so we are still deciding.
#206 of 617 Re: I picked the Forester [kc456]
Mar 22, 2006 (3:40 pm)
"Still, the price difference between the two is $3,500"
If you take the $3500 and step up to the XT premium, it's a different vehicle. Have you considered the XT? You might as well compare vehicles in the same price range.
#207 of 617 Re: I picked the Forester [kdshapiro]
Mar 22, 2006 (4:47 pm)
Do you mean Forrester X Premium or Forrester XT Limited (turbo)? There's no Forrester XT Premium.
On these two, X Premium (automatic) invoice is 24.1K (23.1K with rebate). XT automatic invoice is $26.7K ($25.7K with rebate), and this vehicle is more comparable with RAV4 V6 4WD Limited. Yes, the X Premium in comparable in price with the RAV4 Iím considering, but it includes the options I donít really care much about like the moon-roof or CD changer. So I donít think it helps me to make a decision!!
What makes the base X model such a deal is the 2K rebate plus the dealerís desire to move it off he lot, so that they are willing to sell below invoice.
I think the other poster is right; Toyota has always had the ability to bypass deep discounts and rebates, and with a new ďhotĒ vehicle they have even less incentive to do so. Bad timing, I guess.
#208 of 617 Re: I picked the Forester [kc456]
Mar 23, 2006 (10:08 am)
They'll probably offer a new deal on the Forester when this one expires. The best time to buy an '06 will be right when the '07 arrives. You will have less selection, but that is when prices hit their year-long lows.
Although...prices for the 06 are about as low as they got for 04 and 05 models, so if you like it, go for it.
#209 of 617 Rav4, Forrester, or Outback?
Mar 23, 2006 (10:08 am)
I'm going to buy one of the three above cars. My situation is that I drive around town, but also every week I make a 2 hour drive (each way) to my cabin in the mountains, which ends with a 2 mile drive up a good, but steep dirt road that can get pretty mucky and slippery in the winter. I also drive dirt roads quite a bit on backpacking. What I'm looking for is a comfortable car on the highway, but also one that is the most secure on slippery dirt roads. Currently I have a 94 Landcruiser (which I don't want to drive so much alone) and my wife has a 2002 Rav4. The former is a beast off road, of course, but the Rav is much less secure, of course.
Someone here said that Subaru's AWD is much better than the 2006 Rav's 4WD "on demand." Is that true? Also, does the 2006 Rav still brake as 2 WD? Also, generally I'd like to get a manual (I've got some plantar fasciatis problems with my right foot), but a friend that has a Forrester says the one thing he doesn't like is the the "low" drive still isn't low enough for going downhill without having to brake alot. So should I just get a manual, or is there a preferable manual model that is best on downhill?
I've test drived all three. I like the suspension of the Outback best of all for ease of highway ride, but I like the size of the Forrester.
Also, the sound system's important to me. Is the Forrester's good enough? Is the upgraded 6 speaker Forrester system significantly better? Or if I get a Forrester, should I just get an outside system put in?
Finally, new or late model used, if it's a Subaru? On one hand, that regular dirt road drive will knock the car around immediately, which inclines me to a late model used Forrester or Outback. But someone told me that if you get a 2003 or newer used Subaru, you might as well get a new one since you won't be saving enough money to make it worth it.
I'd appreciate any recommendations on any of the above questions. Thanks.
#210 of 617 Re: I picked the Forester [ateixeira]
Mar 23, 2006 (10:10 am)
When will the '07 arrive?
#211 of 617 Re: Rav4, Forrester, or Outback? [chrisl22]
Mar 23, 2006 (10:15 am)
I do think the full-time system on the Forester is better, this was one thing Toyota sort of cost cut, my guess is to be able to squeeze the best possible EPA mileage numbers.
If you want a stick shift, Subaru is it, as Toyota dropped this choice completely for the RAV4. Bummer, too.
Manual is definitely best for ultimate control of what gear you're in. You can descend long hills in 3rd/4th and keep speeds down, and engine braking is also applied to both axles (AWD is truly full-time this way).
does the 2006 Rav still brake as 2 WD?
Yes, it will behave like a FWD vehicle when you use engine braking, i.e. the front wheels do all the stopping.
Outback has a long wheelbase so it is a more comfy highway car than the Forester, but the Forester is IMO better in the city, more nimble and easier to manuever. We own both a 98 Forester and an 02 Legacy and I prefer the Forester.
Sound? I would go aftermarket. It's double-DIN sized so you can find a lot of stuff to fit. There are even in-dash NAV options for around $1600 (search Crutchfield.com).
Depreciation is low for these, so yeah, I'd buy new, you might as well.