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Hyundai Elantra, Hatchback, Sedan
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#2459 of 3416 Re: TSB [exotrope]
Aug 03, 2006 (7:01 am)
So where can one actually find this TSB that tates "some after market oil filter may cause engine noise"???
Here is the text of the TSB:
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CIRCULATE TO: [ ] GENERAL MANAGER
[X] SERVICE ADVISOR [X] SERVICE MANAGER [X] WARRANTY MGR [ ] SALES MANAGER
[X] PARTS MANAGER [X] TECHNICIAN
USE OF AFTERMARKET ENGINE OIL FILTERS
CAUSING ENGINE KNOCKING NOISE
Some vehicles may experience an engine knock noise with the use of an aftermarket oil
filter. Aftermarket oil filters may use different materials, construction and specifications
than genuine Hyundai oil filters, which may lead to pressure variations within the engine,
thus contributing to an engine knocking noise.
Perform an oil change on the vehicle and replace the aftermarket oil filter with a genuine
Hyundai oil filter.
Normal warranty procedures apply.
This is not a warranty repair.
Lets be honest here..there are hunderds of thousands of Elantra owners in this country. What is the precentage of them that have actually heard of and use edmumds.com and this forum....may 5% percent??
It's probably far lower than 5%. Honestly, there are probably fewer than 2000 people who are active on the various forums; probably more like 200.
First of all, not *all* aftermarket filters cause problems. My understanding is that for at least some period of time, Frm listed a Hyundai application for a filter (I think the one they make for Hondas). The filter did not have the magic bypass valve, and some Hyundais developed engine problems. Hyundai reacted by issuing the TSB; Fram reacted by delisting the Hyundai application. Last I checked (a couple months ago at a local auot parts store), Fram still did not have an oil filter listed for Hyundai Elantra.
Most oil filters are probably okay, especially if the manufacturer does due diligence to ensure they meet the OEM specs for filter media and other internals. But at least *some* have caused problems. It could be that even Fram makes a good filter for the Elantra now; who knows?
If an oil shop does *their* job and only uses filters that are listed for the Elantra, everything *should* be okay. However, if some mechanic knows that the Hyundai and Honda filter bases are the same and uses a Frm filter made for a Honda (which doesn't require the valve), that's when you run into problems.
Generally the system works and most oil changes for Elantras are done with the right filters; but the system isn't perfect.
And to answer the other question: Hyundai (and Kia) dealerships sell the filter and drain plug crush gasket (which should also be changed every oil change) at their parts counters. The filter is part number 26300-35502. The filter and gasket look like this (gasket leaning against filter box):
The lowest price I've found locally for the filter is $6.00 and many parts counters throw in the gasket for free, especially if you mention it ("Hey, can I get a crush gasket, too?")
The engine in the Kia Spectra is the same engine as the Elantra (except for some very minor differences), so you can get the OEM filter at either dealership.
One last note: I personally have no direct negative experience with Fram; this is all hearsay off the internet (from sources that provide generally reliable information, including at least one employee of Hyundai Motor America). That's basically why I am spelling their name as Frm in these posts.
#2460 of 3416 Re: confused with trans change interval! [nodule]
Aug 03, 2006 (7:14 am)
The overwhelming thought here is to change out trans. fluid on 30,000 miles, right?? However, the Hyundai maintenance clearly states to replace trans fluid at 105,000 miles!!?? Sure, it states to inspect at 30K, but not to change.
The maintenance schedule in my owners manual says 105,000 miles for replacement, but on the next page it says replace it at 30,000 for "Severe Driving Conditions", including:
A - Repeatly driving short distance of less than 5 miles(8km) in normal temperature or less than 10 miles(16km) in freezing temperature.
C - Driving on rough, dusty, muddy, unpaved, graveled or saltspread roads.
E - Driving in sandy areas.
F - Driving in heavy traffic area over 90°F (32°C).
G - Driving on uphill, downhill, or mountain road.
H - Towing a Trailer, or using a camper, or roof rack.
I - Driving as a patrol car, taxi, other commercial use or vehicle towing.
In general, I would trust what the manual says over what anyone on an internet forum or anyone at a service center (including the dealership) would tell me. Look at the conditions above (copied out of the manual) and make your own call.
#2461 of 3416 great reply!
Aug 03, 2006 (8:14 am)
Thank you so much for you detailed, intelligent responses
to my questions! You explained everything very well! Its seems
some fellas in here have the tendency to panic and over react
over what they have heard about a specific problem, or an oil
Making statements such as...."I should be concerned", or
"always use Hyundai's OEM oil filter"! In my opinion, thats
a little silly.
If you are having your Elantra serviced at a well respected,
honest repair shop, you should not have to be concerned
about what oil filter they are using!
#2462 of 3416 Re: great reply! [nodule]
Aug 03, 2006 (9:47 am)
"You should be concerned" if you don't know what oil filter your shop is using, yes.
No one suggested that you should always use Hyundai's oil filter. The recommendation was that you should be sure that the oil filter meets OEM specs.
Have a great day.
Aug 03, 2006 (10:58 am)
Thanks for responding.
If one uses and independent shop for their service, how
do you make sure it meet OEM specs??
"excuse me sir, but do your oil filters meet Hyundai OEM
specs?" The response will ALWAYS be yes!, or "of course we
use filters that meet Hyundai specs"!
So I guess the only way to be sure is to buy the filter
yourself and bring it to your mechanic. Even doing that
they will look at you like your crazy, at least in New
#2464 of 3416 Re: OEM [nodule]
Aug 03, 2006 (11:20 am)
The manufacturer of the oil filter should be able to tell you or the mechanic if the filter meets OEM specs.
It seems a lot easier to me to just use the Hyundai filters. I don't have time to mess around trying to figure out which filters meet OEM specs or not.
Aug 03, 2006 (12:18 pm)
I justed checked with my mechanic and the Wix oil filter
he uses has a "silicone anti-drain back valve."
Sounds like that should be the one, right?!
#2466 of 3416 Re: filter [nodule]
Aug 03, 2006 (1:42 pm)
You'd be better off asking someone at Wix.
#2467 of 3416 Re: filter [backy]
Aug 04, 2006 (1:39 pm)
In independent oil filter testing, Purolator's PureONE consistently ranks number 1. Most of the regular posters in this thread are already aware of this.
Nevertheless, given the very small price differential between the PureONE and the OEM Hyundai filter, I'm simply going to use the Hyundai filter each time. Since I change my oil every 3K or 3 months, the differential in the quality of the two filters is probably going to be insignificant. And, there will be no warranty questions should a problem arise. I actually take a date-stamped JPG of the filter and process each time I personally change oil, and file it in my Elantra service file folder for future reference.
#2468 of 3416 Re: filter [w9cw]
Aug 04, 2006 (4:17 pm)
>I actually take a date-stamped JPG of the filter and >process each time I personally change oil, and file it in >my Elantra service file folder for future reference.
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