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Honda Accord, Coupe, Sedan
#31373 of 32228 Re: 2014 Honda Accord EX - L 4CLY [cl171]
Sep 27, 2013 (11:38 am)
When I was looking to buy my 2013 Accord EX-L last month in MA, I had reached out to Boch Honda. Their price was not competitive and they did not have my color in stock. There was also no flex cash available. Hence, I had no further dealings with them.
If you were able to negotiate a sale price of $1550 below invoice for a 2014 model in the color of your choice, and at this time of the year, then kudos to you.
Some of us (including myself) were a little skepital of your sale price, given the market in this area and the recorded pricing paid by some forum contributors recently on 2014 models.
Enjoy your car.
#31374 of 32228 Re: 2014 Honda Accord EX - L 4CLY [gmanusmc]
Sep 27, 2013 (12:35 pm)
You have miss my point. God bless that dealer if he could get 900 above invoice price from bob. It is the dealers right . Bob deserves what he gets. Most educated buyers can get 1500 or more below at this time of the year for bobs jeep but That is not what i'm talking about in this case of supply and demand
This is my point
When there is a limited stock on dealerships lots its folks like bob who dealers know they will sell for alot more than us educated buyers.
That is why people in hear are saying how come dealer is quoting me only xxx dollars below invoice price on a 2013 model thats 10 months old..... Guys like bob
Thats the reason why we see pricing on the 2013 Accord reverting higher in price with alot of dealerships.............. Bob
#31375 of 32228 Re: Accord EX 2013 [iffi]
Sep 27, 2013 (11:47 am)
Good luck negotiating a deal below invoice at the end of the month.
#31376 of 32228 Re: 2014 Honda Accord EX - L 4CLY [gmanusmc]
Sep 27, 2013 (11:51 am)
Bill, I think you are misreading Brian's response. I believe he was responding to Isell's claim that it's just a matter of supply and demand. I'm sure you will agree, supply and demand applies only in a macro sense, you can certainly get a good deal if supply is high and demand is low but no dealer is going to volunteer that at first, they will wait to see if the customer bites. Yes, the uninformed buyer may not take advanatage of the supply/demand dynamics but the dealer will if demand is greater that supply and will not acknowledge it when supply is greater than demand.
#31377 of 32228 Re: Price pd on 2013 EX-L Accord [etienne39]
Sep 27, 2013 (11:59 am)
Etienne, there’s no reason why I should need to call Holler Honda about their “Return” policy. Don’t you have all the legalese in the documents you were given when you purchased your car or did your “experienced salesman” conveniently omit that from your packet? You can post that for our review. No doubt, unless you asked for it upfront, it was not provided to you since you would clearly see it would not be economically feasible to exchange the car.
Sorry to inform you, but you should know that “experienced salesmen” don’t exactly have a reputation for honesty, integrity and transparency. I’ll break the news about Santa Claus and the tooth fairy another time
#31378 of 32228 supply and demand
Sep 27, 2013 (12:39 pm)
That was exactly my point. isell loves to stir me up. he loves it......lol
I even stuck up for the car salesman about lying to them. I pointed out that poster was going about negotiating the wrong way.
I may negotiate hard and play dirty but every dealer i talk with knows exactly where i'm comming from. So the ball is in his court til he plays games. Honest answers get my respect. I'm not Bob. You dont want to be like bob not doing his homework 1st before buying.
That is the problem today to many dealership think everyone is like bob.
#31379 of 32228 Re: 2014 Honda Accord EX - L 4CLY [huskerfan5]
Sep 27, 2013 (12:40 pm)
Brian and Huskerfan - I understand what you guys are saying. My point is that I can't fault the dealer if he/she wants to sell their product to uninformed Bob for x dollars when the "market" is calling for x minus y dollars for "informed" buyers. I'm a little skeptical of the "God bless the dealer" remark - I'm not sure that's your actual sentiment Brian - I think you've made your feelings about dealers and sales folks pretty clear (believe me, I'm with ya on that in a lot of cases). Something I'm glad about is that some of the folks who don't know their way around car buying eventually make their way into these forums and we old guys are able to help out. Look how fast blue caught on - and now he's helping out other folks. I can't help but think that the uninformed population is decreasing steadily. All that being said, I doubt that Isell is losing any sleep because we are all getting better at our part of the game.
Take care guys,
#31380 of 32228 Re: Price pd on 2013 EX-L Accord [huskerfan5]
Sep 27, 2013 (12:43 pm)
What about Santa - what? Did you hear something?
#31381 of 32228 Re: Price pd on 2013 EX-L Accord [gmanusmc]
Sep 27, 2013 (12:57 pm)
Yeah, he's giving out Accord Tourings to all the prolific posters in this forum
#31382 of 32228 Re: supply and demand [brian125]
Sep 27, 2013 (1:23 pm)
brian, I met a lot of "brians" in my lengthy retail career and I never lost a wink of sleep.
I don't "love to stir you up" either. I know you think you have all of the answers and I sincerely know that you mean well.
You have dispensed some well intentioned advice that in a lot of cases simply won't work. I used to have to deal with customers who would read forums such as this one and come to me expecting prices that just wouldn't happen. Only after driving over half the state and going nuts the harsh reality would hit them that they couldn't buy cars for what "other people were paying".
As the 2013's become fewer and fewer, prices will actually go UP. This happens every year.
Now, let me ask you a question that I've asked several times over the years here. I've never received an honest answer.
Suppose you had a used car for sale yourself. Let's say it's a nice car and you price it with some wiggle room assuming people will want to grind you down on the price.
You advertise it for 12,000 knowing that if necessary you would take 11,000 or maybe even 10,500. At 12,000 it's priced about were it should be according to NADA, KBB and other sources.
But, it does have a couple of blemishes and the A/C isn't blowing as cold as it once was. Still, overall, a pretty nice car.
The first day of your ad, a guy shows up and tells you..." I'll take it! Here is your 12,000!"
Would you shake his hand and take the money?
Would you say..." Ah...gee...don't you want to offer less?"
Would you think you did something wrong, were a crook or underhanded?
If a customer pays (gasp) MSRP for an Accord, there is around a staggering 8-9% profit in it. If he buys a Honda Fit, there is around a 4-600.00 profit.
I'm just curious if you think car dealerships should be non profits?