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Honda Accord, Coupe, Sedan
#31073 of 32171 Re: Used 2013 honda accord ex (4000 miles) CA [cinch1]
Sep 13, 2013 (10:00 pm)
Driven off the lot and "returned"?
You need to be more clear. Was the car ever registered to an owner? Did the deal immediately fall apart and got reversed?
If the deal simply unwound, it's like it never happened. You WILL pay the destination charge because the first "buyer" never did.
If the car was registered, then it's sold to you as a USED car and you won't pay the destination fee.
How many miles are on the car?
Now, if you are thinking you are going to somehow get some kind of a killer, ridiculous price on this slightly used car, I can tell you this won't happen.
We used to discount manager's demos with less than 5000 miles. These were sold as new. I can tell you, we never lost money on them nor did we on any other new car we sold.
It's all perception. Someone else will snap up that car thinking that they took advantage of someone else's misfortune.
#31074 of 32171 Re: Used 2013 honda accord ex (4000 miles) CA [isellhondas]
Sep 13, 2013 (10:23 pm)
Thanks for the info. It was returned by the previous owner because they decided to upgrade. It has about 4,000 miles on it and I think it's been on the dealership for about a month now. I'm only approved for a certain amount so I suppose it's still out of my range. I appreciate the feedback.
#31075 of 32171 Re: 2014 EXL 4cy w/ Nav in GA [fxguy]
Sep 13, 2013 (10:58 pm)
Ok fx - gotta put in my final .02. I was out of pocket for a few hours and gave this some thought. Here's my take - however you account for the numbers, as long as you get to your ultimate target, that is what counts. I see your point that if the doc fee is locked in concrete, then it doesn't really accomplish anything to mingle it with the basic below invoice target you are shooting for. The doc fee doesn't affect us much here in CA because it is capped at 80 bucks and pretty much all the dealers charge the 80 so it becomes a non issue when getting quotes. I know Brian advocates negotiating the selling price down to reduce or eliminate the impact of an out of line doc fee that a dealer can't or won't budge on - that seems like a good strategy. I will say this, and this is just me, if the doc fee is not locked in concrete, and is therefore negotiable, I would include it as part of my quote request to dealers (give me your price including dest and your doc fee). That way I have a common denominator to compare. I understand that others prefer to do it differently and that's fine - like I said - as long as the end result is your best price - that's what counts.
Ok guys - thanks for listening.
#31076 of 32171 Re: 2014 EXL 4cy w/ Nav in GA [driver300]
Sep 13, 2013 (11:31 pm)
Driver - this is my line of thinking also. I think fx is saying that because doc fees vary by location, and most are not negotiable, we should include them with the other mandated fees such as tax, title and license (TTL) to arrive at the out the door price. I like Brian's approach of attempting to get the dealer to adjust selling price to offset the doc fee as much as possible. I think this is gonna be one of those things that boils down to personal preference. I agree with you that it is a pricing component that needs to be considered - I'm sure there are situations where the doc fee is negotiable - and if it's not - revert to Brian's method and try to compensate for it. I think that considering doc fees as one of those things that can't be changed and lumping them with the mandated fees is probably what the auto dealers would like to see happen.
Sep 14, 2013 (3:36 am)
When I bought my last car in 2010, after negotiating the price of the car, the salesman could not clearly articulate to me what the doc fees were for. I told him I could "see" the car, I could "see" the tags on the car, I can "see" the title for the car, and I know taxes are a given ... show me the $399 worth of "documents" for which I am asked to pay this fee, and obviously he couldn't, rather he just said they have to charge it to each customer or it wouldn't be fair. I was a cash buyer for an Infiniti, so I told him to eat that fee or the price we negotiated would be reduced by that amount, otherwise I was walking away, and they did reduce the car price that extra amount.
Sep 14, 2013 (7:08 am)
Can I do better than 26899 on v6 coupe right now 2013.? No nav. Flex after . I want this car but think I can do better than this. Am I being unrealistic?
#31079 of 32171 Re: Used 2013 honda accord ex (4000 miles) CA [isellhondas]
Sep 14, 2013 (8:19 am)
As isellhondas alluded to, this sounds like a used car with 4K miles. Someone took a big depreciation hit by trarding in what essentially is a new car.
I would think that would end up being a bargain compared to a new Honda, same model and options.
Seeing doc fees mentioned quite a bit. NO STATE requires a dealership charge a doc fee. Yes, there are fees to register, license your vehicle and to get plates. But, filing the paperwork for those items is something the dealership chooses to charge for.
Personally, I figure up my offer, including taxes, registration and license fees (varies by state and municipality, but easy enough to find) and make one offfer..."all in". I explain my offer to the dealer. If we get to the F&I office and they add in doc fees. I walk. My offers are literally..."ALL IN"!
It's up to the dealer how they divy up my offer into their different fee and pricing categoires. I don't really care how they do it, as long as the final, all in number is equal to my offer.
#31080 of 32171 Re: doc fees [jlm072174]
Sep 14, 2013 (8:34 am)
Now that's what I'm talking about (and I'm sure what Brian is saying). Way to go Jennifer. I thought you said you were a rookie (ha ha).
#31081 of 32171 Re: Used 2013 honda accord ex (4000 miles) CA [graphicguy]
Sep 14, 2013 (8:39 am)
Totally agree with everything you said.
#31082 of 32171 Re: V6 coupe 2013 [cardionp]
Sep 14, 2013 (9:22 am)
Thats a rather great deal! I would try to get 26,500, are you eligible for college or military discount? When I bought mine a few days ago (Sport Sedan) I had them throw in free/discounted accessories and a really great discount on the extended warranty 7yrs/100,000 if you plan to keep if forever like I am. Haha
Are you in Souhtern California by any chance?