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Chat 6-21-01 by moderator_kh
Jun 28, 2001 (12:17 pm)
moderator_drew:  Hi juice and rsunico!
 
moderator_drew:  Welcome to tonight's chat
 
rsunico:  hi ateixeira hi drew
 
ateixeira:  Hi Drew are we up?
 
moderator_drew:  Yup, should be
 
ateixeira:  Is that Renato?
 
moderator_drew:  It's 6pm Pacific!
 
rsunico:  Yes ateix
 
rsunico:  thanks for the link to your sunroof pics... nice
 
ateixeira:  Is that a Brazilian name?
 
rsunico:  e italiano...
 
rsunico:  what did they do to the rubber rails on the roof?
 
ateixeira:  Cool, lots of brazilians use that name
 
ateixeira:  The rails are metal - they just cut them shorter
 
moderator_drew:  They're metal?
 
ateixeira:  then reinstalled them. Looks great
 
rsunico:  and drilled a new hole on the roof...
 
moderator_drew:  Wow, I didn't know that
 
rsunico:  i need to find a place in new jersey that will do them. russ sent me pics of his electric sunroof thats nice as well..
 
ateixeira:  Yes, several actually. No leaks in 2 years
 
moderator_drew:  Is there a rubber coating on them or something?
 
moderator_drew:  Ross you mean
 
moderator_drew:  I've seen his in person
 
rsunico:  yuppers sorry.. Ross in Vancouver
 
moderator_drew:  very nice
 
armac13:  has joined the chat.
 
ateixeira:  Ross, to Rufus, his Forester
 
moderator_drew:  Speaking of Ross....here he is now!
 
armac13:  Hi gang
 
moderator_drew:  Hi Ross
 
moderator_drew:  We were discussing your moonroof
 
rsunico:  Hi Ross. Renato here I was ooing and aahing sunroofs
 
moderator_drew:  Did you say it was a Webesto?
 
ateixeira:  Did they also cut your roof rails short?
 
armac13:  Rufus turned 1 year yesterday
 
moderator_drew:  Happy Birthday Rufus
 
rsunico:  In Canada they don't have those rails ...
 
moderator_drew:  Hmm, wonder why
 
rsunico:  lucky Canadians
 
ateixeira:  Sweet. Sandy will be 3 on 8/8. Got her 8/8/98
 
armac13:  Webasto/Solaire
 
moderator_drew:  You can buy the rubber strips if you really want though
 
rsunico:  ateix.. where are you located?
 
ateixeira:  I like the rails - I use them a lot
 
moderator_drew:  The OEM for the new C-class's moonroof is Webasto too
 
ateixeira:  I'm near DC
 
moderator_drew:  I just found that out today
 
ateixeira:  the capital
 
rsunico:  i will be there tomorrow night to sunday, i should get it done!
 
armac13:  They do a lot of the high end factory roofs
 
ateixeira:  Drew - do you mean the new Coupe?
 
moderator_drew:  No, the current sedan
 
ateixeira:  Cool. The place I went to is called Adler & Mandell
 
moderator_drew:  I think they do a lot of work for MB anyway
 
ateixeira:  They are in Rockville, MD,and yes they are in the phonebook
 
moderator_drew:  WEbasto, that is
 
rsunico:  thanks!
 
moderator_drew:  What's the other moonroof company that everyone talks about?
 
rsunico:  how'd you find em
 
moderator_drew:  Can't remember it right now
 
ateixeira:  Mine is an ASC. Adler & Mandell is an ASC approved shop, and they also do power roofs
 
armac13:  ASC??
 
moderator_drew:  Oh that's it ASC
 
rsunico:  as long as you have not had a leak in 2 years i will get the subie done...
 
moderator_drew:  A few special edition Honda CR-Vs here have the ASC roofs
 
ateixeira:  A friend had one installed back in the 80's
 
moderator_drew:  Those look good too
 
armac13:  I didn't like the controls nearly as much
 
rsunico:  so far i am on week 3 of my subie.. my saab is lonesome sitting in the garage..
 
moderator_drew:  They're on the roof right?
 
moderator_drew:  and three buttons
 
ateixeira:  Then I did one on my old car, then another friend. All were good work so I went back. None of the 4 have ever leaked
 
moderator_drew:  Does yours tilt?
 
ateixeira:  You would like Gary from SCOA (he is the founder)
 
ateixeira:  Gary has a Soob and a Saab, and runs two clubs!
 
rsunico:  no way...
 
armac13:  Yes mine tilts and does everything else except make coffee
 
ateixeira:  Check out the web site www.subaruclub.com - events are great and the last one was for Soobs and Saabs
 
moderator_drew:  Is there an auto retract feature too?
 
rsunico:  will do... I was previously very involved w/ the Peugeot Club.. we were hosted by the French embassy in DC.. that was cool..
 
armac13:  auto close, one touch open, one touch close
 
ateixeira:  Mine is a pop-up, totally manual. You can pop it up, or remove it, but then you have to store it
 
rsunico:  Ross... and you only paid roughly 800 US.. that is a deal!
 
ateixeira:  Clubs are fun. You learn a lot about your car
 
moderator_drew:  One touch close is nice
 
armac13:  I'm very pleased
 
moderator_drew:  I have to hold my button down to close it
 
ateixeira:  $800 is good. I think Adler & Mandell was asking $900 for a power roof
 
moderator_drew:  Legalities...they're afraid that someone may chop a finger off or something.
 
rsunico:  My Subie is the work horse.. I have bikes and other stuff on it right now.. w/ my Saab convertible I had no room for anything..
 
ateixeira:  My wife's does not have either (one touch open or close)
 
moderator_drew:  The auto close moonroofs from the factory have pinch sensors
 
armac13:  after key is removed one has 1+ minutes to set position
 
ateixeira:  Saab convertible? not bad... 9-3 or 900?
 
rsunico:  i would not want an auto sunroof...
 
rsunico:  new body style 900.. same as the 93
 
rsunico:  it cost twice the subie! but i find the subie easier to drive.. saabs to 97 had a clutch cable (go figure)
 
moderator_drew:  juice, why couldn't they make the roof larger?
 
moderator_drew:  Or did they just not have one at the time?
 
ateixeira:  Cool. Almost bought one of those from my boss. It was auto and non-turbo though, so I passed. Either turbo or 5 speed and I might have bought it. It was cherry and he was giving it away
 
ateixeira:  Larger than mine, you mean?
 
moderator_drew:  Yup
 
ateixeira:  The ASC is 15" by 30", biggest they offered at the time, at least
 
ateixeira:  They did have smaller ones, 12" by something
 
rsunico:  12 is too small...
 
ateixeira:  My old Sprint had a much smaller one.
 
moderator_drew:  Saabs aren't cheap cars to works on though, are they? I mean brake jobs are about the same or more expensive than MB brake jobs
 
rsunico:  did they have to move the light inside your subie as well?
 
rsunico:  Drew: Saabs are a PAIN and they are MAINTENANCE hounds!
 
ateixeira:  Yeah, but my boss' was a year old and absolutely cherry, and he was selling for $5 grand below market
 
rsunico:  30k service is at least 550-600...!!
 
moderator_drew:  Only a year old!?
 
ateixeira:  Yes, they moved the light back. Still works like a charm
 
armac13:  ouch
 
rsunico:  and they depreciate badly.. unlike .. I hope.. Subies
 
ateixeira:  Actually, it lights up the back seat for the baby - bonus
 
armac13:  same with mine
 
moderator_drew:  That sounds somewhat similar to MB. Service B is about $400, but it's covered for the first 4 years for free in the US
 
moderator_drew:  $400 canadian, that is
 
rsunico:  they only started offering free service w/ 2000 models.. the sheisters
 
moderator_drew:  Is that for Saab?
 
armac13:  are you talking US or Cn Drew?
 
moderator_drew:  CDN, Ross
 
ateixeira:  Let's see, it was a '95 Saab 900, leather, loaded up with auto, he was asking $15k but said he'd sell it to me for $12k.
 
armac13:  sorry, I'm slow
 
rsunico:  I use to drive to Canada for service... much cheaper... but thats when I was in Detroit..
 
ateixeira:  New ones were $22 grand at least
 
moderator_drew:  No problem
 
moderator_drew:  Service B can be from 30K to 40K, depending on your driving style
 
rsunico:  the plain 4 cylinder is a work horse and low maintenance...
 
ateixeira:  The boss was really pushing, but I found the auto N/A engine a bit slow
 
maw1982 2:  has joined the chat.
 
moderator_drew:  Hi Matt
 
ateixeira:  What do you drive?
 
moderator_drew:  A Malibu, juice
 
vdchawk:  has joined the chat.
 
moderator_drew:  He hasn't ever posted in TH either
 
moderator_drew:  Welcome vdchawk!
 
vdchawk:  Hi all
 
rsunico:  I did a bad thing the other night.. drove a friend to the Subie dealer and I salivated over an S premium forester and a wRX wagon.. sigh
 
ateixeira:  How's it going Matt?
 
maw1982:  good
 
maw1982:  thanks for the advice
 
armac13:  Thats a good thing
 
ateixeira:  Matt - you shopping?
 
moderator_drew:  How's the VDC, Keith
 
moderator_drew:  The WRX wagon is nice
 
moderator_drew:  and almost as practical
 
maw1982:  you left me a post about a used legacy wagon
 
ateixeira:  Renato - I am afraid to drive a WRX, I know I'll like it too much
 
moderator_drew:  You haven't driven one yet!?
 
vdchawk:  VDC good family car, WRX is trouble for lead foot
 
armac13:  I'm still waiting to drive one
 
ateixeira:  Cool, Matt, which one (sorry I get asked that several times a day)
 
rsunico:  Same here... but oh geez the horsepower, the momo steering wheel.. argh...
 
moderator_drew:  Not below 3000 rpms though
 
rsunico:  thats true drew...
 
moderator_drew:  I haven't driven one either
 
rsunico:  im new to subes.. what is a VDC?
 
maw1982:  it was post about a high mileage '95 legacy
 
armac13:  Rufus gets his birthday present next week
 
moderator_drew:  Vehicle Dynamic Control
 
rsunico:  my dealer has a WRX demo car..
 
maw1982:  you said to just avoid it
 
ateixeira:  No I have not driven one. I was going to drive Hutch's at the Covered Bridge Tour, but I ended up co-piloting and piloting paisan's XT6
 
moderator_drew:  Stability control
 
moderator_drew:  system
 
armac13:  2-4 days of logging roads
 
rsunico:  what is your present drew?
 
moderator_drew:  You mean Ross
 
rsunico:  with your reardust deflector in place
 
moderator_drew:  What is Rufus' present?
 
ateixeira:  Cool Ross
 
rsunico:  he gets to laugh at dust
 
armac13:  lots of logging roads
 
moderator_drew:  Oh that, LOL
 
moderator_drew:  that's how I recognised your Forester
 
moderator_drew:  by the deflector
 
armac13:  yes, it should give the deflector a good trial
 
rsunico:  drew are you a canuck as well? in BC?
 
moderator_drew:  You should get a personalised plate with "Rufus"
 
moderator_drew:  Renato, yup, same area as Ross
 
rsunico:  My Subes name is Tadashi..
 
ateixeira:  The Canadians are taking over!
 
rsunico:  Our home and native land...
 
ateixeira:  How did you come up with that name?
 
armac13:  What is the story on that name?
 
klkrause:  has joined the chat.
 
rsunico:  Its a common Japanese name.. a friend of mine as a kid had this name
 
vdchawk:  Where's the south park crew when you need em...Blame canada...
 
moderator_drew:  Hi Kevin
 
rsunico:  Love that S Park song!
 
klkrause:  hi
 
ateixeira:  Mine is Sandy - after the driving on the OBX beaches
 
rsunico:  obx? huh?
 
ateixeira:  Outer Banks of North Carolina
 
ateixeira:  Cool trip
 
armac13:  gotta run folks
 
rsunico:  i see obx stickers all the time.. now I know what it means!
 
ateixeira:  See ya Ross
 
rsunico:  happy Birthday!
 
armac13:  volunteer work next three weeks
 
rsunico:  you drove your forester on the beach?
 
ateixeira:  Check out my photo album - there under Forester photos are a few pics at the OBX. Subies do better in sand than most people think
 
armac13:  you bet
 
rsunico:  First thing I did to mine was replace the cheap gear shift then put in the Subie 6 CD in dash change.. nice..
 
ateixeira:  I was away for 3 weeks - things were kind of slow it seemed
 
moderator_drew:  Yes, Mike has been away too it seems
 
vdchawk:  Always worry more about the sand in the car than the car in the sand. Gritty stuff wears out parts
 
ateixeira:  Did you get the leather one or a custom knob?
 
moderator_drew:  from the boards, that is
 
klkrause:  gotta go ... wife is calling
 
moderator_drew:  Hey, everyone is bailing tonight!
 
rsunico:  leather....
 
ateixeira:  Mike is building the ultimate home theatre, he's seen no one
 
moderator_drew:  juice, does Sandy have a CD player yet?
 
ateixeira:  I have the leather knob too. I love it
 
ateixeira:  No, believe it or not.
 
rsunico:  ateix.. did you go to the subie/saab meet a few months ago in PA?
 
ateixeira:  I usually take a DVD notebook for long trips though
 
rsunico:  has anyone every gone to the import carshow in carlisle, pa?
 
ateixeira:  Yes, it was the Covered Bridge Tour
 
ateixeira:  If you get the SCOA newsletter, you
 
ateixeira:  will get to read my article about the trip
 
flj168:  has joined the chat.
 
ateixeira:  Gary will publish it
 
moderator_drew:  Hi Fred!
 
rsunico:  i got the scoa newsletter... my dealer offers 25% discount on parts/access. so it was a worthy investment..
 
ffsteve:  has joined the chat.
 
ateixeira:  SCOA is worth it - just for the events even
 
moderator_drew:  Hello Stephen, welcome to the Subaru chat
 
ateixeira:  Gary does a lot of work and barely breaks even
 
vdchawk:  they do events up in NJ/NY
 
rsunico:  when is there another event?
 
rsunico 2:  has joined the chat.
 
moderator_drew:  Feel free to jump in anytime, newcomers
 
flj168:  Hi this is the first time I've been able to remember to log-on on Thursday nights!
 
ateixeira:  Yup. I'm going to suggest a Cape May/Lewes Ferry trip for next year
 
ffsteve:  Good evening people, I am just checking in to see what is being discussed. Admit to being still at work, can only keep half an eye on the screen...
 
ateixeira:  No problemo
 
moderator_drew:  Work at this hour?
 
ateixeira:  SCOA will have something in the fall, maybe even an SIA tour this summer
 
vdchawk:  Start your own business, you'll always be at work
 
moderator_drew:  Heh, don't I know
 
ffsteve:  West coast time, plus dealing with co-horts in Singapore where the day is just starting.
 
ateixeira:  Work for the government - never be at work!
 
vdchawk:  good point
 
moderator_drew:  I know the feeling Stephen
 
ateixeira:  How's the VDC running?
 
moderator_drew:  My family is originally from Singapore
 
moderator_drew: 
 
vdchawk:  VDC runs good, now that the temps are higher
 
rsunico:  id love a high paying government job in DC..
 
ateixeira:  Did you have the bad ECU? Fixed?
 
vdchawk:  Got new one, didn't help, left a message for patti
 
ateixeira:  Cool, at least if it's with Patti you'll get good service
 
ateixeira:  Teething problems with a new engine, i guess
 
vdchawk:  They downloaded the ECU info to Japan, what more can they do?
 
rsunico:  who is Patti? I've seen her name bantered about here and there
 
moderator_drew:  Patti is the Subaru of America rep
 
ateixeira:  She's an SoA rep that chats with us - and helps out a lot
 
moderator_drew:  that works with Town Hall
 
vdchawk:  where is she tonight
 
ateixeira:  She catered an SCOA event for us, even
 
moderator_drew:  Probably busy
 
moderator_drew:  She was here last week
 
ateixeira:  Also got us free passes for the Philly Auto Show, and VIP canvas bags full of goodies
 
rsunico:  Cool. good person to know...
 
rsunico:  a REALLY good person to know..
 
vdchawk:  Yup, did she get flooded in last weeks storms
 
moderator_drew:  Yup, you'll see her posting under the username "subaru_team" in Town Hall
 
ateixeira:  Very, very good person to know
 
moderator_drew:  What sort of goodies, juice?
 
celeste2:  has joined the chat.
 
ateixeira:  Lessee, canvas bag, pen, leather key chain, cool flashlight
 
ateixeira:  WRX stickers my kid loved
 
vdchawk:  good kid
 
ateixeira:  and brochures, I think that's about it
 
vdchawk:  My kid has the outback koala bear
 
ateixeira:  Celeste! Wassup? How is the OBS?
 
moderator_drew:  Ooh, leather keychain and flashlight
 
moderator_drew:  I bet the stickers were nice too
 
moderator_drew:  Welcome Celeste!
 
ateixeira:  Have it too. It's Tati's favorite toy!
 
moderator_drew:  Nice to have you with us in the chat
 
celeste2:  You guys talkin bout freebies?
 
moderator_drew:  OB Koala bear, LOL
 
ateixeira:  Yeah, some from Patti, others I got from Darlene
 
vdchawk:  Hey, don't pick on the bear
 
ateixeira:  She's still in bidniss you know?
 
vdchawk:  I heard yes
 
celeste2:  We got cookies when we bought our car, wish we got that neat flashlight.
 
ateixeira:  Drew - it's actually a stuffed animal with the Outback logo
 
ateixeira:  They also have a Forester Kangaroo but it's on back order!
 
moderator_drew:  Do you have that too?
 
moderator_drew:  More suitable than the trunk monkey
 
ateixeira:  Not yet
 
ateixeira:  I use the flashlight all the time though. Almost daily. It's small and handy
 
celeste2:  Where do you get this neat stuff?
 
ateixeira:  Attending events, mostly.
 
ateixeira:  SCOA always has freebies. I got a Subaru bucket with all kinds of car wash stuff too
 
moderator_drew:  Wow, lots of Subaru stuff
 
moderator_drew:  You have to take a picture next time
 
vdchawk:  when is the next SCOA event
 
moderator_drew:  So did you keep Photopoint after all, juice?
 
ateixeira:  I think I have everything in the catalog, almost. T-shirts, hats, keychains (2 kinds), pens, flashlights, bucket, oxford jean shirt, etc.
 
celeste2:  What's SCOA?
 
ateixeira:  Yes, I paid photopoint the $10. No way I was going to down load 272 photos again
 
moderator_drew:  Subaru Club of America
 
vdchawk:  Juice, you going for the LLBean stuff next?
 
moderator_drew:  Same here, except that I have about 900 pics
 
moderator_drew:  Close to bumping the limit
 
celeste2:  Yahoo has free photo service. I'm trying them
 
ateixeira:  Well, I do not have the Bean Outback, but I like the store and there is an outlet in Hagerstown
 
rsunico:  woops sorry
 
vdchawk:  They private label Sube stuff, nice fleece sweatshirts etc...
 
ateixeira:  Yeah, real nice. LL Bean stuff ain't cheap, but it is top notch quality
 
moderator_drew:  No LLBean in Canada
 
celeste2:  What's SCOA?
 
moderator_drew:  They just have the plain ole OB H6
 
moderator_drew:  and the VDC
 
moderator_drew:  H6
 
vdchawk:  Just finding ways to spend the sube card rebates
 
ateixeira:  A lot of people do not like the Bean logos, I dont mind them because I like the store
 
rsunico:  you got Roots in Canada... celeste.. subaru club of america
 
moderator_drew:  Subaru Club of America = SCOA
 
celeste2:  Oh! I get it now!
 
moderator_drew:  Yup, roots, but no Roots Outback here either
 
moderator_drew:  We do have Whistler GMC Jimmies and stuff though
 
celeste2:  And these are all freebies from SCOA?
 
moderator_drew:  Then there is the Head CRV right now
 
moderator_drew:  from the Tennis equipment maker
 
ateixeira:  It' s a club run by Garry in Pennsylvania that holds cool events about twice a year. They may do a factory tour at SIA or another gimmick rally in the fall
 
kameele:  has joined the chat.
 
ateixeira:  Welcome
 
rsunico:  I would have loved to have gone to the Gettysburg one.. a winter rally, with snow would be fun as well..
 
ateixeira:  There was a Dynastar Forester - very cool
 
kameele:  Hi all,
 
rsunico:  test out the AWD... I can't wait for SNOW.. my saab is not great in snow.
 
moderator_drew:  Oh yeah, the Dynastar Forester
 
phatride01:  has joined the chat.
 
ateixeira:  For $300 you got side steps, a snow board, rack, and heated seats and mirrors on the L model
 
moderator_drew:  with skiracks and skis
 
phatride01:  hello all.
 
moderator_drew:  and a brushguard
 
moderator_drew:  Hi phatride01!
 
phatride01:  where r we all from?
 
rsunico:  'I have never heard of a Dynastar Forester!
 
ateixeira:  DC here, the capital
 
rsunico:  darn.. I wouldn't mind seat warmers
 
celeste2:  ME be from Florida
 
phatride01:  I live in NY, and am awaiting my WRX wagon..
 
moderator_drew:  It's a Canadian special edition
 
ateixeira:  I took photos of one from the Covered Bridge Tour - cool
 
vdchawk:  NJ
 
moderator_drew:  Heh, I could tell by your handle, phatride01
 
rsunico:  hate you hate you hate you phat... rub it in.. WRX
 
rsunico:  I am lusting over a silver WRX
 
phatride01:  hehe..actually, that was for the stratus that I purchased last year
 
ateixeira:  Awaiting a WRX - longest days of your life
 
celeste2:  What color, phatride?
 
rsunico:  <-- NJ as well
 
phatride01:  little did I know that the thing would be a lemon
 
kameele:  just got back from son's 8th grade graduation
 
phatride01:  silver, wagon
 
moderator_drew:  Hey, I waited 13 months for the M-class before giving up
 
celeste2:  Oh, nice.
 
moderator_drew: 
 
phatride01:  so I fought, and fought, and five months later, I won the case.
 
rsunico:  SILVER WRX... should i repeat the hate you hate you routine ?
 
phatride01:  Chrysler bought the RT back..
 
kameele:  checking e-mail and couldn't resist checking in here
 
celeste2:  8th grade? Moving to bigger things...
 
rsunico:  did you lose a lot of money phat?
 
rsunico:  have you ordered your WRX?
 
moderator_drew:  What RT is this, phatride?
 
phatride01:  not at all..they had to give it all back..
 
moderator_drew:  A Stratus?
 
phatride01:  it was a stratus RT coupe..
 
ateixeira:  I think your Rex will be better
 
phatride01:  awesome car, v6 and all...too bad it was a lemon.
 
kameele:  I hope so--I sure don't remember such a fancy ceremony for high school
 
ateixeira:  At most you'll have one check engine light in the first year
 
moderator_drew:  How's the Legacy?
 
phatride01:  I am sure that it will...
 
flj168:  How's the WRX compare with the Forester?
 
phatride01:  just hope that I did not pay too much..
 
ateixeira:  WRX is a lot more powerful, and a little lighter
 
rsunico:  comparing a WRX to a Forester is like comparing apples and oranges..
 
ateixeira:  Forester is bigger and can tow
 
celeste2:  WRX=fast Forester=family, friendly
 
phatride01:  agreed..
 
phatride01:  I drove the wagon the other day, for about 2 miles...and it seemed nice.
 
rsunico:  i found a dealer upstate NY that is selling the WRX for 200-300 above invoice.. 200 if its yellow, 300 for all other colours
 
moderator_drew:  Same platform though, but the WRX is based on a completely new version
 
celeste2:  Most people aren't deciding between those two.
 
ateixeira:  Forester is closer to the Outback Sport, it moved upscale so now they are kind of similar
 
subearu:  has joined the chat.
 
ateixeira:  Until the next Forester, which should get a little bigger
 
moderator_drew:  Brian!
 
kameele:  a very quick visit good night all
 
celeste2:  I thought yellow was MORE
 
subearu:  hola all
 
moderator_drew:  G'nite Kevin
 
phatride01:  well, I am gonna pay about 24.5 with a few options...1000 better than what someone else was willing to give it to me for..
 
moderator_drew:  Gain one, and lose one
 
rsunico:  have there been any prelim photos of 2003 forester?
 
rsunico:  which dealer phat?
 
flj168:  I saw one at the dealer and they were asking $26k!
 
phatride01:  stamford was expensive, rye was cheaper
 
ateixeira:  Yellow had some problems matching paint. I saw one in person and found it too pale, but it is rare and will later be more valuable
 
moderator_drew:  Not yet Renato, it's a bit early
 
subearu:  holy subarus batman
 
rsunico:  Stamford is a Rip Off.. I go to Liberty Subaru in Oradell, NJ...
 
celeste2:  So they're selling yellow cheaper?
 
ateixeira:  2003 Forester - my eyes are peeled, so far just rumors
 
rsunico:  they are pretty decent and low hassle.. and for NJ, friendly
 
phatride01:  yeah, I liked the yellow...but I already have speeding problems..
 
phatride01:  yeah, but then I would still have to deal with service in Rye..
 
ateixeira:  I was in Stamford a little while ago - my in laws live in CT.
 
moderator_drew:  Yellow is also apparently the easiest colour for the Lidar guns to pick up on
 
rsunico:  I think the WRX looks best in Silver or Yellow.. the blue I have to get used to still...
 
celeste2:  Be glad they don' t make a hot red! Insurance companies, unite
 
phatride01:  that's the closest dealer.
 
moderator_drew:  They do make a red, well sort of
 
celeste2:  Sort of, is right....
 
rsunico:  its more a maroon.. .which is frankly, blah
 
ateixeira:  Blue is their rally color though
 
phatride01:  the blue looks nice on the wagon, though..
 
moderator_drew:  Yeah, off red
 
celeste2:  yeah, my least favorite color
 
moderator_drew:  Blue is nice too
 
moderator_drew:  But I'd take the silver wagon
 
rsunico:  i was reading a british magazine and they said the same about the um red.. um burgundy...
 
ateixeira:  Depends, though, do you want to show off? Stealth?
 
celeste2:  That blue is rad to the 3rd power
 
moderator_drew:  juice, they race the WRX wagon in the Canadian rally championship
 
moderator_drew:  They also have 2 WRX sedans
 
ateixeira:  Wagon? Cool
 
moderator_drew:  Yup, the only wagon
 
moderator_drew:  All in Blue, of course
 
celeste2:  I like silver in WRX but not OBS. I like black for that!
 
ateixeira:  Love DSL if you can get it! I could not! ;-(
 
rsunico:  <-- wet keyboard from slobbering at the thought of a silver WRX wagon
 
phatride01:  have owned black cars myself...and tiny scratch is a big one.
 
moderator_drew:  They've had a bit of problems with the stock trannies though. It's not suited for hard running w/o using the clutch like the racing trannies
 
ateixeira:  <-- green with envy
 
moderator_drew:  They've been stuck in gear, or lost gears
 
subearu:  saw a new OBS in the Chicago area on Sunday. so I've only seen one WRX and one OBS.
 
rsunico:  My Saab convertible is black.. talk about pain to keep clean!
 
celeste2:  Black is totally sexy waxed
 
moderator_drew:  But they showed footage of them doing a tranny change in 25 minutes
 
moderator_drew:  Wow
 
ateixeira:  Trannies and probably clutches too, to race you need beefier gear
 
phatride01:  yeah, that's the issue with black cars...
 
phatride01:  thus, I thought to go with the silver
 
moderator_drew:  Yeah, the racing trannies don't have syncromesh
 
moderator_drew:  no need to use the clutch
 
vdchawk:  My dealer cant do an oil change in 25 minutes
 
celeste2:  subearu: I posted pics in the OBS site here. Go back thru & look
 
ateixeira:  Black is beautiful, but yes a pain. Even dark green is.
 
rsunico:  I sort of felt my Forester getting a tad hard to shift onto 2nd the other day... thought that was strange
 
moderator_drew:  You just need to be at certain revs
 
rsunico:  and its only 3 weeks old
 
rsunico:  i was shifting from 1-2 and not high rev
 
subearu:  I know what they look like! just haven't seen many in SE WI.
 
moderator_drew:  The World Rally cars use the carbon disc of course
 
moderator_drew:  US$600 per pad
 
phatride01:  I had the RT (strat) for 12000 miles, and went thru 3 trannies..
 
celeste2:  My car looks like a pygmy. It's name is JuJu
 
phatride01:  and this was a brand new car...
 
moderator_drew:  They go through two brake pad changes a day
 
ateixeira:  Keep an eye on that shifting, though I have not heard of problems with shifting
 
rsunico:  anyhow.. good night all... nice talking to everyone and to meeting you ateix..
 
moderator_drew:  Bye Renato, hope to see you next week
 
phatride01:  so who else has a WRX?
 
rsunico:  by celeste... see you next week.. .and phat i HATE YOU.. kidding. hope your WRX gets to you soon.. and post pics..
 
ateixeira:  Is the Isuzu chat going on?
 
celeste2:  subearu: Also try the Yahoo OBS club photo album. Lots there
 
phatride01:  I will...
 
phatride01:  cannot wait..hehe.
 
celeste2:  Bye!
 
phatride01:  I figured this was the only other car that was affordable, and fairly quick...
 
ateixeira:  Celeste - is yours a manual or auto? Old one was auto? right
 
moderator_drew:  Not yet juice
 
phatride01:  I got the rear diff protector, so I may just go offroading..
 
celeste2:  I traded a 2000 OBS manual for a 2002 auto. Foot problem
 
ateixeira:  I have that diffy cover too, very sturdy. Installed it myself
 
moderator_drew:  Isuzu Owners, 7-8pmPT/10-11pmEThttp://www.edmunds.com/chat/isuzuchat.html
 
celeste2:  Boy sometimes I miss fast takeoffs with my manual.
 
subearu:  I've got a pic in my imagestation album from the chicago auto show. I was merely pointing out that the WRX and the new OBS are very rare in my area. plenty of Outbacks (including mine) and Foresters now.
 
ateixeira:  I'm sure one day my knees will get tired, but I will go down kicking and screaming. All 3 in our fleet are manual
 
phatride01:  sounds like a plan...know of any off-road environments in NY?
 
wheels13:  has joined the chat.
 
moderator_drew:  Hi Al!
 
ateixeira:  You just missed the Pine Ridge or something like that
 
vdchawk:  I miss the shift, until the bumper to bumper NY traffic!
 
celeste2:  Yow! I've driven clutch almost 30 years! Heavy traffic
 
moderator_drew:  juice, when's that MB powertrip event again in your area?
 
moderator_drew:  This weekend?
 
ateixeira:  Is it? I have to check my calendar
 
ateixeira:  Do you have the URL?
 
celeste2:  ateix--you're in DC?
 
ateixeira:  Yes, DC
 
phatride01:  5 hours from here...approx.
 
celeste2:  Wow. fireworks, 4th of July!!
 
phatride01:  depends on how fast I am speeding..hehe.
 
celeste2:  I love that area. So much to see!
 
phatride01:  the worse thing is, that I will probably get the car next week, and then am going to Florida for a week...
 
ateixeira:  paisan and Brian went out to the woods in their Isuzus and Subies, and paisan is organizing another trip to NC soon
 
phatride01:  bummer
 
celeste2:  I'm in Florida!
 
phatride01:  really...cool.
 
celeste2:  Nice breakin drive
 
phatride01:  I will be in miami..
 
celeste2:  Wow, 4 hours from me!
 
phatride01:  well, I am not driving...am flying
 
moderator_drew:  Looks like its next weekend, juice
 
moderator_drew:  You must take pics
 
celeste2:  Good. The state is VERY loooong.
 
phatride01:  yeah, tell me about it...
 
phatride01:  I drove to SC last year...from NY..
 
phatride01:  that was a nice trip.
 
phatride01:  although I had a rental...
 
celeste2:  You could probably drive 10-12 hours from Key West and not leave the state
 
phatride01:  true...although I am planning to take a trip to the keys..
 
celeste2:  Miami? Vacation?
 
moderator_drew:  I saw a green '01 OBS yesterday
 
ateixeira:  I'll bring the digital camera, should be fun
 
phatride01:  maybe they will rent me a subaru..hehe.
 
moderator_drew:  Definitely a different look than the WRX wagon
 
phatride01:  yeah, vacation...LOOONG OVERDUE!
 
celeste2:  There's some weirdos in Key West, look out!
 
moderator_drew:  I'm not sure I like the grill as much in the OBS. Looks tougher for sure
 
celeste2:  Go to the docks at sunset. It's a ritual.
 
phatride01:  well, my friends and I are no better.
 
ateixeira:  I think the new OBS looks handsome. Playful, even
 
celeste2:  C'mon, not THAT weird!
 
moderator_drew:  I wish it had a hood scoup though
 
moderator_drew:  functional or not
 
phatride01:  hehe, ok, well, I will have to see what kind of weird they are.
 
celeste2:  So, phat, you're getting a silver WRX?
 
phatride01:  yup.
 
moderator_drew:  The hood looks a bit flat w/o the hood scoup
 
celeste2:  Wow, like that color. My 2000 OBS was silver/2tone
 
phatride01:  it was either a sedan or wagon...I chose the wagon, cause it has some extra character
 
ateixeira:  I've liked the hood scoops all along
 
phatride01:  in my opin.
 
moderator_drew:  So how does water not get into the WRX's intake on the hood?
 
ateixeira:  I say MAKE them functional
 
celeste2:  I hate the silver in the new OBS though
 
vdchawk:  Just wonder how much the scoop eat into the mileage
 
moderator_drew:  I've always wonder that
 
phatride01:  yeah, especially with that weird colored edging.
 
ateixeira:  The hood scoop feeds the intercooler, so maybe it is just OK to get that wet. Better cooling, even
 
phatride01:  I saw some random site where this guy created a guard for the intercooler out of screen material..
 
moderator_drew:  But isn't it still an air intake?
 
phatride01:  looked good.
 
ateixeira:  No, the intake is at the front of the hood
 
ateixeira:  It is well conceived - cold, fresh air comes in
 
phatride01:  he claims that it will prevent bugs from denting the intercooler.
 
celeste2:  There's a dealie they sell in car mags that lets excess moisture (flood) out of your intake tube)
 
moderator_drew:  Oh wait, but doesn't air feed the intercooler too?
 
moderator_drew:  Isn't that the idea?
 
moderator_drew:  So that the cooler denser air can come in?
 
moderator_drew:  And boost power?
 
ateixeira:  But isn't that within the tubing?
 
phatride01:  it keeps the interc. cooler...that's about all.
 
celeste2:  Gotta go for my nightly walk. Bye, all!
 
moderator_drew:  I have no idea, LOL, that's why I'm asking
 
moderator_drew:  Bye Celeste
 
moderator_drew:  The WRC cars have roof scoups for ventilation too
 
moderator_drew:  But they're not filtered
 
ateixeira:  They make 240hp Foresters in Japan. Can you even imagine?
 
moderator_drew:  Richard burns drove through a cloud of dust
 
phatride01:  anyway, all, I have to go grab some dinner...just finished staining my new apt. so I am rather hungry...when's the next chat?
 
moderator_drew:  and lots of it went into the cabin
 
moderator_drew:  Every Thursday, phatride
 
moderator_drew:  at 6-7pm Pacific
 
phatride01:  gotcha...so 9-10 pm my time.
 
moderator_drew:  Yup, that's right
 
ateixeira:  I think if I had a WRX as a 3rd car, I'd go all out. Blue, yellow stickers, black headlights, roof scoop, you name it. Then I'd rally cross that bad boy...
 
moderator_drew:  Petter Solberg's WRX caught on fire!
 
moderator_drew:  and burnt to a crisp
 
phatride01:  bummer.
 
moderator_drew:  1/2 million down the drain
 
vdchawk:  ouch
 
ateixeira:  Subaru took 2nd at the last rally, but has not won yet
 
moderator_drew:  They heard some sort of noise
 
moderator_drew:  and then lots of smoke
 
moderator_drew:  and then they jumped out
 
moderator_drew:  Not even enough time to put it out
 
ateixeira:  I think the new platform is heavy and they have not sorted it all out yet
 
moderator_drew:  This was in the Cypress rally, IIRC
 
moderator_drew:  Very rough
 
phatride01:  nonetheless, it's time to be out. Later all...and have a great evening. That REALLY sucks, about his car...yikes!
 
moderator_drew:  Lots of gravel and rocks
 
ateixeira:  Burns was 2nd, right? Or was that the last event?
 
moderator_drew:  G'nite phatride
 
moderator_drew:  Yup, 2nd
 
moderator_drew:  There's a great website
 
ateixeira:  What site?
 
moderator_drew:  http://www.worldrally-online.com/home.asp
 
ateixeira:  I need Speedvision badly!
 
moderator_drew:  The Kenya rally is coming up soon too
 
moderator_drew:  That ought to be fun
 
moderator_drew:  It's always a tough one
 
moderator_drew:  and they run through terrain that most SUV drivers won't venture on
 
moderator_drew:  As you know
 
ateixeira:  Kenya is the toughest one, right? Isn't that the one where they do reconnaissance runs in Foresters?
 
ateixeira:  I had a link but it expired. Very cool pics
 
ateixeira:  from last year
 
moderator_drew:  I think they do all of the runs in the Forester
 
ateixeira:  year, sorry
 
moderator_drew:  and the WRX
 
moderator_drew:  http://www.rally.subaru.com/subral/index.html
 
moderator_drew:  Subaru Team USA's website is great too
 
moderator_drew:  Nice pics
 
ateixeira:  I'll check
 
moderator_drew:  I'll have to dig up the Canadian website
 
ateixeira:  We should wrap it up. I gotta call my mom - its her b-day
 
moderator_drew:  So you can see that WRX wagon that they run
 
moderator_drew:  Okay, thanks for joining us everyone!
 
moderator_drew:  See you all next week
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Jan 22, 2002 (8:28 am)
11/29/01 Chat transcript - Mark Lovell Subaru Rally Team USA
12/13/01 Chat transcript - Peter Vordenberg & Andrew Gerlach
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Feb 11, 2002 (8:19 am)
1/31/02 Chat Transcript - Subaru Rally Team USA: Ramana Lagemann & Ed Bentley
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May 01, 2002 (8:01 am)
April 18, 2002 Chat Transcript- Subaru Vehicle Maintenance/Rick Rhoades and Pete Eike, Guests
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June 20, 2002 All-New 2003 Subaru Forester Chat Transcript: Mike Whelan, Guest
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Jan 24, 2003 (6:50 am)
January 6, 2003: Petter Solberg, Subaru World Rally Team Driver

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