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Toyota Highlander, SUV
#2155 of 5330 I LOVE MY '03 TOYOTA HIGHLANDER
Dec 19, 2004 (8:55 am)
I've seen a lot of negative posts on the board, and I too can't really understand the negative sentiments. My Highlander has everything, nice wheels, fantastic interior, an incredible amount of room! But most of all I appreciate the ability to see what's going on around you; the ability to see through the back windows is a plus I never see commented on. Other cars, the Murano, the ML series have a rear construction that creates a huge driver blind spot. The Highlander (IMHO) has great acceleration (the 2003 V6 AWD); it hesitates slightly through the lower gears, but overall it has zip when you need it. In fact, on the very first trip in the car, my brother took the wheel (on the way to the beach.)As he turned in the middle of the highway a huge 18 wheeler (unknown to us) came from nowhere. My brother floored it, and WOW, awesome acceleration. My dealership is fantastic as well, the service department is very honest, answer questions--really try to fix things. Even so, I have a grave concern about whether or not the 3 year warranty is good enough (for me.) Unfortunately my car has some clear coat problems. The service guys at the dealership are very nice though; they say each panel can be fixed for $100 (that's not too bad, but then again I thought I had a paint warranty?) My steering too is rather off (the car turns to the left.) I've tried all variations of tire pressure up to 33 pounds, but still on the highway, the car turns to the left. What else? I think the car has a little bit too much rust (rusts rather easily), and the windows seem to scratch very easily. But WOW, I think this Highlander is truly an awesome car! If you do have problems I can only hope you have a dealership as good as mine (I could wallpaper the house with the amount of mailers they send out!)
#2156 of 5330 Re: Aftermarket Sunroof [gokstel]
Dec 19, 2004 (9:15 am)
gokstel - If you read the few other posts here about moonroofs, you'll see that that Highlanders with moonroofs ALL do that wind-buffeting thing with the moonroof open. Factory or Aftermarket, it's still a hole in the top of the vehicle that had air blowing across it. Crack one of the rear windows a half inch or so, and enjoy the ride. I've had 4 vehicles with moonroofs, and rented some others, and all of them had this to some degree or another.
I suspect that the Wind Deflectors that mount to the roof, in front of the opening, would help - I never got one, as they mean No More Automatic Car Washes - but I still wonder. Anyone got one of those?
#2157 of 5330 Re: Aftermarket Sunroof [gokstel]
Dec 19, 2004 (12:53 pm)
gokstel- I have a 2004 HL Limited with moonroof that when I first used the moonroof the wind sound was unbearable to the ears. I have had many cars with moonroofs but had no problem like this. I contacted the dealer and told him of my problem. He said you usually have some wind noise. I told him nothing like this. To make a long story short the car was taken to the dealership and after test driven he said it was not right. While I was there he contacted Toyota and was told the problem was the moonroof was never normalize. The procedure took about 10 seconds and what a difference. If you look in the owner's manual on page 34 it will tell you how to do this. I hope this will take care of your problem.
#2158 of 5330 Re: Thank You Marko and Ecotrklvr [pilot130]
Dec 21, 2004 (1:05 pm)
Pilot130 you are repeating yourself.
I think if you trace back through the months you will find a startling consistency in the posts to this site (which I'm pretty sure is about discussing problems, as opposed to exalting manufacturers).
I'm a regular guy who drives many rental vehicles for my job. I've never experienced what I have with this 2004 Highlander. I came to edmunds to see if by chance I was crazy (as you are proposing) and thank God (and this forum) I found corroboration...enough to validate that there is a real quality problem. Sure, the car rides smooth, nice interior, great features. But I have basically 3 requirements for a vehicle: 1) go when I step on the gas; 2) stop when I step on the brake, and 3) turn when I turn the wheel. My car does 2/3 of these rather nicely.
#2159 of 5330 Re: Thank You Marko and Ecotrklvr (scsokols)
Dec 21, 2004 (2:04 pm)
As far as anyone's remarks being inappropriate for this forum, the rules aren't hard to understand.
It's up to the host to make decisions as to what's OK and what isn't, not us as individuals.
I believe that's already been made quite clear.
We have been reminded once to confine our comments to HLs, good or otherwise, so let's just do that OK?
You say you are having problems with your HL, but that's not my fault. I'm very sorry that you are and wish I could do something to help you. Unfortunately I cannot.
But not everyone has the kinds of problems you have, in fact the vast majority of HL owners seem unaffected by those conditions.
I don't believe that the number of posted occurrences in this forum is an indication that the hesitation issue is "epidemic" by any means.
That's my opinion and I said so.
Please lighten up and try not to take it so personally.
Dec 21, 2004 (3:47 pm)
I'm one of the HL ('04 AWD Limited)owners that do have this problem. I know the difference between a split second hesitation with normal automatics compared to the HL. I'm just glad to have read that article and that Toyota is finally doing something about it. I'll have to agree with scsokols, I want to buy a car and have it go when I step on the gas, especially, a 33K car.
For those of you that don't have this issue....be glad and happy that you don't.
#2161 of 5330 Re: Hesitation [shaweet]
Dec 21, 2004 (8:02 pm)
Good article in the Pittsburgh paper, wish it would have been in USA Today for more to see. But, why does the Lexus representative claim it's only an ES330 problem, did he "forget" all the rx330 complaints? Bottom line: don't hope/believe there is a fix until there's a TSB and a recall program.
I'd love to see toyota fix their hesitation problem. However, all they've done about it in the last 12 months is stall, deny and leave customers no recourse except arbitration and lemon law filings.
Until theres a TSB and recall, don't buy a highlander, solara, sienna, es330 or rx330 based on Toyota's reputation. Take a test drive. Decelerate, punch the gas, and if it's drives like a $40000 vehicle should, buy it. If not, move on.
#2162 of 5330 Fact, Fiction, Or Somewhere In Between?
Dec 22, 2004 (5:43 am)
It would be interesting to have more factual and less subjective info about this hesitation issue. For example, I think a very important piece of information would be the actual timed hesitation intervals experienced by those who say their HL (or other model) has it.
Now I know using a stopwatch while driving is neither practical nor safe, but perhaps another method might be worthy of a try.
I suggest using a memnonic I use when first starting the 210 before a flight. It's engine is fuel injected, and one must activate the fuel boost pump for 3 seconds before starting up. I simply count off the following at a moderate speed: "One thousand and one, one thousand and two, one thousand and three", while holding down the boost pump switch. Voila---three seconds just went by and the engine starts every time!! (I've checked this with an actual stopwatch and it's pretty darn accurate)
So here's what might be worth trying. Floor the accellerator from 30 MPH and start counting the moment the pedal hits the floor. Stop the count when the engine begins to accellerate. Note where the count stopped.
I've tried this with three HLs in the past two weeks, our own which can't be persuaded to hesitate past the first "one" no matter how I try, another off a dealer lot which didn't hesitate at all,and my friend's HL which couldn't get past the first "one" either.
I've also experimented with our other two vehicles (neither of them Toyota). One--a big V8 equipped pickup--got to the "thousand" before gearing down and accellerating, and the other--another big V8 luxury sedan (about the size of a boat!)--took the whole 9 yards or at least one full second before getting going. Even at that though, I wouldn't consider a one second hesitation excessive or dangerous.
Anybody willing to report their results? Only one condition--please be factual and resist any temptation to exaggerate!
#2163 of 5330 Re: Fact, Fiction, Or Somewhere In Between? [pilot130]
Dec 22, 2004 (7:32 am)
Since you don't have this issue, why don't you just let it go. It's not really up to you to prove or deny the issue.
I don't have it either, but I've had problems with other cars and had frustrating instances of skepticism from posters on these boards.
Nothing really productive will come out of asking people to "prove" their problem. It's not necessary (particularly since Toyota has admitted the problem), and it's not really anyone else's place to ask someone to prove it.
#2164 of 5330 Re: Fact, Fiction, Or Somewhere In Between? [hmurphy]
Dec 22, 2004 (8:21 am)
Well said hmurphy!
I've been holding back....but not anymore.
Pilot, I'm happy you don't have this issue with your HL, but others do so if you don't like reading about it, DON'T!
It's rather simple, let the others explain the problem/s they are having (which this forum is all about) and if you don't agree, go to another page because we are all getting tired of you trying to dismiss this issue!
Happy Holidays everybody!