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You are in the Mercedes Benz M-Class
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Mercedes-Benz M-Class, Ford Explorer, Buick Rendezvous, Acura MDX, Car Safety, Fuel Efficiency (MPG), SUV
Dec 07, 2002 (1:04 pm)
1. The MDX, while arguably sportier than the Buick, still weighs over two tons. The laws of physics just don't allow the MDX to be "sporty." Heck, a Toyota Corolla can eat the MDX for lunch!
2. You do have to compare the "CXL Plus" with the "MDX Touring" because the MDX base model doesn't include a trip computer, roof rack, reverse tilt passenger side mirror, keyless entry with remote linked 2 driver seat/mirror memory, touring tires, or power passenger seat.
As far as pricing goes, the CXL Plus package already includes leather upholstery, roof rack, chrome wheels and third row seats. Don't add them again. Simply add a sunroof and you have all of the features found in the MDX Touring, at an invoice price of $31,100. Add $500 dealer profit, then take the $3000 rebate, subtract $260 for alloy instead of chrome wheels (they look better), and get a $650 discount for the leather trimmed interior. Now you have a loaded 2003 RDV CXL AWD for $27,700...considerably less than "over $30,000."
3. The reason why the RDV has incentives is because all domestic cars have incentives...it's simply the way they do business. Buick sells an average of about 5000 RDV's each month, and they make money on every single one of them.
Hopeitsfriday, I have truly enjoyed this opportunity you have given me to discount some false myths and brag about the Buick Rendezvous, but alas, I have run out of breath.
Before I go, let me tell you what I think is your perfect solution. I have found a way for you to have your cake (plush SUV) and eat it too (sporty and fun)!
Buy a RDV for $28,000, and with the $12,000 you save, pick up a two-year old Miata to go with it!
Dec 07, 2002 (1:28 pm)
Since you are out of breath, I will get the last word in then lol. Have you seen the 0-60 time on the 03 mdx, ITS ABOUT 8.2 SEC. I dont think any corolla can beat that or buicks as matter of fact. And please dont forget what SUV stands for, Sport and utility vehicle. Cannot be too sporty drving around in the RDV and a corolla blows you away now can you? I will say no more, I hope you enjoy your Buick and I am sure your grandparents thinks you made the right choice too. So whats your next car, a oldsmoblie????
Dec 07, 2002 (9:40 pm)
#134 of 473 RDV vs MDX, or.....XC90!
Dec 07, 2002 (9:47 pm)
Disclaimer: I settled on the RDV.
America has finally woken up after suffering with a truck-like ride when we all wanted the sedan with a truck look: hence the crossover!
M-B, thanks for getting in early with the ML320, but the $$$ and asthetics just don't work for most Americans (unless you are a purely status symbol person).
Mercury, sorry, but you're still a truck.
So, that leaves the 7+ people hauling, sedan riding, sporty/truck look to: MDX, RDV, and the newly arrived Pilot and XC90.
So, why RDV over the MDX? Price for what you want out of your car. If anyone buying these cars want to rough it, find a truck, not a crossover. They machines are built for asphalt-only in mind. If you bring a 30k+ offroading, it better be a LandRover.
Now the meat: MDX touring (not base) = RDV CXL plus. You have to compare interior upgrades alike, and that's esssentially it. MDX has a slightly higher grade leather, but both are utilatarian, not Natuzzi grade. RDV has definitely more 3rd passenger leg room than the MDX, plus you get in on either side and don't have to remove the headrest everytime.
MDX has the horsepower, but does it REALLY matter if you're lagging behind a corrolla anyways? These crossovers are minivan replacements, not your sportcar replacements. I live in the Central Valley without hills, so torque is the main issue for city travel. 185HP is enough for the city. Everyone travels 75+MPH on the freeways, so passing is minimal. The only time I wish for a stronger engine: getting onto the highway and over over the Altamount Pass (moderate grade incline).
The shifting on the RDV is MUCH BETTER than the MDX. GM has the best transmissions in the world (ask Volvo, a FORD company putting a GM transmission in their XC90!). Not to mention about the heavy rumors of Acura transmission issues....
Styling: Acura/Honda: plain vanilla. Doesn't hit you either way, but purely mainstream and desirable. RDV: you can't beat the central console. The one style point loss: Back latch can be only opened by remote or inside---stupid. I would like to shoot the designer on that one.
Finally: If I wanted to spend 40K on a Crossover, I would buy the XC90. Safer, better performance, better styling, and just a few K more than the MDX. It's no wonder that the MDX is starting to fade in MRSP+ pricing with the XC90 being delivered now.
Get the RDV. Save the 10K and buy a used sporty car to kill that lead foot monster in you. You'll NEVER get that demon excorcised in a truck anyways. I am now 10K closer to buying a used Acura CL that really will be racing around unlike ANY crossover.
BTW, American cars always sell near invoice (thus lower residual values) compared to foreign cars. Don't be fooled by pure residual value numbers. If you pay more initially, it better hold the value more! Compare $$$ to $$$. For the $$$, the RDV gets more bang. Remember, this is a people mover class, not drag racing for the 1/4 mile.
#135 of 473 From ML to MDX
Dec 07, 2002 (9:55 pm)
I am seriously loooking at the MDX - currently have an ML. am wondering how other "converts" have fared in terms of driving it day-to-day. The drive on the ML is pretty tight and easy to move around. I have a concern with MDX that i will have a hard time getting used to the large vehicle and less-tight steering.
comments from others?
Dec 08, 2002 (6:29 am)
One can also buy foreign cars, even Acura and Volvo, at $500 above invoice. But only on models that are overstock. The MDX is starting to fade in MSRP pricing because it has been out for 3 years. Frankly, it is a amazing ran it had. I bet by this time next year, one can already buy a XC90 below MSRP. As for the RDV, no comment lol.
So you really think the RDV looks like a truck?? it looks more like a minivan to me. Why dont you just go out and buy a minivan with AWD, since thats what you are really looking for. Perhaps you will save even more money.
#137 of 473 Open eyes, open mind.
Dec 08, 2002 (8:13 am)
It's amazing how some people can be so aristocratic sometimes.
I encourage everyone to do an honest comparison shop and drive prior to buying. That is the only way you'll know your vehicle's worth.
For those who have disposable income (AKA luxury vehicles), seriously look at the new Volvo XC90. It's a safer and more versatile car than any other crossover out there. You'll have to wait until May right now though!
Remember, these cars are Crossovers (minus the Ford). They are MINIVAN or car based chasis that give the ride and fuel economy. They are built for asphalt, not offroading. Get a REAL truck for that!
MSRP/Invoice/Residual values are marketing ploys. Compare your $$$ to benefits of that vehicle and resale $$$. Forget the marketing.
American companies have traditionally sold vehicles, regardless of supply/demand, closer to invoice than MSRP. The foreign companies work otherwise. Some, like Honda/Acura, purposely limit production for several years, causing pent up demand and full MSRP sales.
eg: I bought the RDV at invoice despite only 2 vehicles on the lot.
Different philosophies on marketing, but that's a whole different subject/econ class
Dec 08, 2002 (8:54 am)
Buick sells about 4000 RDV a month and Acura sells about 3800 MDX a month, must admit those numbers are pretty close. Yet everytime I drove by a Buick dealer, there is rows and rows of RDV avaiable. Since Acura dont have to use marketing ploy like factory rabates, 0% interest rates or Invoice pricing. That tells me that the demand for MDX is much stronger than the RDV. By the way, Its funny how a RDV owner would recommand a Volvo.
#139 of 473 Again, open minds please
Dec 08, 2002 (10:28 am)
$$$ and reasoning dictate decisions. The MDX simply isn't worth the additional 10K over the Buick. I don't think you'll find anyone saying that the MDX isn't better than the RDV certain areas. The debate really is: Is it worth the 10k Difference....yes, even more with the "gimmicks" that all fall toward the consumer's advantage. Hmm> 27K with 0% x 5 years for RDV CXL. MDX: 38K with NO financing available. Again, with only 2 cars available on the lot.
Minus the engine issue, there isn't much difference in functionality. I strongly suggest one drive the RDV instead of looking at the 185HP spec. The torque is more than adequate for city driving, shifting is smooth as silk, and the highway driving is fine except for onramp acceleration. Yes, I would like to see a stronger engine, but can't justify 10K for 1.5 secs of drag racing other vehicles.
The MDX had the benefit of being the only game in town in 7 passenger seating near luxury--until now. Volvo is now "it". Thus, the dramatically decreased activity on the MDX vs XC90 boards on the townhall.
Clearly, the XC90 shouldn't be compared to the RDV. With almost 15K difference, that's almost an entire car.