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Audi A4, Sedan
#1868 of 2072 Re: 2012 A4 [jnyz]
Dec 19, 2011 (5:42 pm)
hey jnyz, thanks for the info.
No, I did not figure out invoice price, I took the sales guys word for it. How would I figure it out for myself?
No, I do not intend to purchase the car at this time but reading other posts I thought it was still a good deal to do so.
According to Edmunds (http://www.edmunds.com/car-buying/dealer-holdback/) Audi has no dealer holdback. Is this true?
Also, according to Edmunds True Value site, invoice price is $38,680 (vs 38,870 I was told), so fairly close.
#1869 of 2072 To mrkrabs
Dec 19, 2011 (5:56 pm)
Audi just might not call it holdback. Holdback comes from the Ford/GM. You did it correct by getting the invoice from Edmunds. Ask the dealer where is the 190 difference. I would offer invoice and take out that doc fee and see what they say. If you are not planning on keeping the car there is no reason to get Audi Care. Just get your oil changed every ten thousand and be done with it. A lot cheaper then spending and additional 10k. If you get it for 200 over you did well. What is the Money factor and residual they gave you?
#1870 of 2072 Re: To mrkrabs [jnyz]
Dec 19, 2011 (9:34 pm)
Great info, thanks!
.00133 / 55% residual at 15k miles/y and 36 mo term. If my math is correct that's 3.19% interest. Is that awful? I think their purchase rate is 1.9%. btw I have fico score in high 700's, so "excellent" credit.
They are also adding some $675 (cannot remember what he called that fee) to come up with final lease figures. I surely need to get more detailed info on lease calculations as he kept saying (over the phone) he was not sure on all details of the lease figures. I gave him benefit of the doubt but will call and see if he can get all details for me.
It is going to be a custom order car (~90 days, not off the lot) as I am asking for options that they don't have. Does that make a huge difference for them as far as deals go? Would it be better to strike a deal before January or after? I mean how desperate are the dealers for sales at the year end?
#1871 of 2072 Re: To mrkrabs [jnyz]
Dec 20, 2011 (12:38 pm)
So I just found out that the add on fees are probably these:
Port inspection fee $195.00
Documentation fee $250.00
Temp reg. Title $56
Unknown fees $495.00 (I estimated based on lease quotes - think these are ad fees)
Only "legitimate" fee I see here is the Temp reg. Title fee as it is mandated by state. All the rest sounds to me like the way to make more money while advertising price cheaper - this I think is not being upfront and fair.
So, I am thinking of either agreeing to pay $700 over invoice if they remove the $940 in the above fees, or ask them to sell me at an invoice cost. The salesman told me that Audi adds the "Port inspection fee" and that's not something they add - can this be true? Surely they make money on that.
According to http://www.truecar.com if I pay 0 over invoice, the dealer still makes $910 on the sale. So I am thinking of making this as my offer and also ask them to throw in Audi Care as many forum threads recommended it even for lease (15k lease plus it adds 1 point to residual). Does this sound fair? Good Deal? Unrealistic?
#1872 of 2072 Re: To mrkrabs [mrkrabs]
Dec 20, 2011 (4:49 pm)
The mf and residual sound correct. As far as port fee? Never heard of it. Maybe someone else will chime in. The tag fee is legit and some if not all pay a doc fee of around 200. Some pay more but everything is neg. Do the math and see if you will save money by getting audicare. I wouldn't get it. You should get real good deal since you are ordering the car and the dealer doesn't have to pay interest on the car sitting in the lot. Your offer of 700 over which includes all fees sounds fair. Ordering the car at the end of the month or in Jan doesn't matter since it will only count as a sale once the car is delivered.
Check out www.audizine.com for more info. Look under B8 a4 forum since that is the car you are buying. If you can afford it I would get a s4.
#1873 of 2072 Re: To mrkrabs [mrkrabs]
Dec 21, 2011 (5:17 pm)
i would not agree to any fees but designation fee, acquisition fee(bank fee), and if you purchase audi care, and state licensing. all others- no, period. i just did the same and purchased at invoice. you have competition down the road. never forget to walk.
#1874 of 2072 Re: To mrkrabs [chiquita]
Dec 23, 2011 (1:43 pm)
Apparently the dealer figured in an Acquisition Fee of $695.00. Is everyone paying that? Seems like a very unreasonably high fee. Has anyone managed to waive that?
So far on top of the invoice price I agreed to pay:
Destination fee of $875.00
Documentation fee $250.00
I'm thinking of asking to throw in Audi care with it. What do yo guys think? The Acquisition Fee leaves a very bad taste indeed.
#1875 of 2072 Re: To mrkrabs [mrkrabs]
by kyfdx@Edmunds HOST
Dec 24, 2011 (6:19 am)
Most quoted invoice prices on the web include destination, already... So, make sure you aren't paying twice, if your goal is to pay invoice...
Virtually all leases include an acquistion fee.... the bank gets that... I'm not positive what Audi's base fee is, but $695 has to be pretty close..
Is this deal in Ohio?
#1876 of 2072 Audi loyalty - invoice
Jan 11, 2012 (7:23 pm)
I saw many of the members suggest ask for invoice for an A4. Does this include Audi Loyalty or I should ask for invoice then minus $1000 loyalty?
Thanks in advance,
Jan 26, 2012 (10:01 pm)
I have my eye on a '12 A4 quattro Premium with style/convenience packages and heated seats, with a couple smaller options.
The dealer's price is $37,055. Edmunds' TMV is $37,206 -- more than the list price, you'll notice -- to go along with a $36,386-or-less "great price" from TrueCar and a $36,233 target price from ZAG. The invoice prices, according to these websites, also are inconsistent: Edmunds and ZAG list the invoice at $35,733, and TrueCar lists the dealer cost at $36,115.
So I'm a little confused as I begin negotiations. I would obviously like to buy the car for as little as possible, while also being fair to the dealer and not offering an unreasonable amount. My thought is to offer $36,233 OTD, which according to ZAG is $500 more than invoice, or offering $36,733 OTD with Audi Care thrown in. That would essentially get Audi Care for $500. I wouldn't qualify for loyalty incentives or any of that.
What are your thoughts on this? Should I go lower and just offer the damn invoice price? Less? What's got me confused most, I think, is that there's really not that much distance between the invoice and the dealer's list price -- something like $700-800, depending on the valuation service. I guess I'm a little surprised the dealer priced this car so close to invoice, and it makes me wonder that, with this price, maybe the dealer would be willing to go below invoice if list price assumes (or presumably assumes) there's some wiggle room.
Many thanks for the help. Looking forward to joining the Audi family.