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Toyota ECHO, Chevrolet Aveo, Kia Rio, Nissan Sentra, Honda Fit, Hyundai Accent, Toyota Yaris, Kia Spectra, Suzuki Forenza, Sedan
#775 of 3871 Mr.major-you must have missed one of my posts!
Oct 08, 2001 (9:25 am)
I went to Jerry Smith Chev-Buick-Kia with the intention of getting a Rio Cinco wagon or a Spectra sedan. Turns out they had no 2002 Kia Spectra sedans or 2002 Kia SpectraWing's in stock. They had the 2002 Kia Cinco wagons(3 or 4 of them) and they had the red one I wanted. My wife and I even test drove a black 2001 Kia Optima with the V6 engine and leather everything, power moonroof, etc. I loved it but the payment was a bit steep. The finance guy asked us about the 2001 Kia Sportage's. My wife was tickled pink and I was very interested, too. We found a 2001 Kia Sportage 4x4 with a $2,500 rebate. They gave me $11,000 trade-in for my '99 Sephia that had 73,700 miles on it! Part of the package has to be a good dealer and I've definitely found one. The color is Pepper Red. Next is ordering bodyside cladding to protect against door dents. A must! I'm very happy with the deal made and the Sportage!
Oct 08, 2001 (10:35 am)
But how much did you owe on the Sephia? Given your numbers it seems that the dealer really wanted your business.
#777 of 3871 Iluv, this is not the place to play games.
Oct 08, 2001 (1:52 pm)
I find it EXTREMELY unbelievable that you got $11,000 for a '99 Kia Sephia. My dad's 1999 Solara SE V6 with leather and sunroof has a trade in value of about $11.5k and it has 90k miles on it. According to KBB:
1999 Kia Sephia LS 4 Door Sedan
Engine: 4-Cyl. 1.8 Liter
Drive: Front Wheel Drive
Power Door Locks
Dual Air Bags
Dual Power Seats
Trade-In Value $6,390
And I know that leather and power seats aren't options on the Sephia. I'm sorry, but that $11,000 sounds a little far fetched. Wouldn't the dealer actually be losing money on such a deal?
Oct 08, 2001 (3:28 pm)
I was thinking maybe Iluv was adding in however much he owed on the Sephia to the trade-in allowance.
I say we give him time to respond before we condemn him.
#779 of 3871 I need advice
Oct 08, 2001 (5:25 pm)
I am in the market to purchase either a Honda civic, Hyundia Elantra, or a Mazda Protege. I would tend toward the Honda, because of reliability, but I am skeptical of the sunroof, which you have to take on the EX. I keep cars a very long time(20 years), but put on very low miles 3-5000 per year. Will the sunroof on the Honda remain watertight over 20 years if the car is garaged most of the time. I live in Florida where the sun destroys everything. I have tried the Sentra, but since I am very tall, I cannot drive it comfortably.
Oct 08, 2001 (5:29 pm)
We can't be rash, we must certainly be fair. I just wanted to make sure this possible discrepancy is pointed out.
#781 of 3871 To ichem1 re advice
Oct 08, 2001 (6:58 pm)
First off, go out and drive those cars you mentioned to see which one you think you'll enjoy driving the most for the next 20 years. Take it for a real long test drive--you'll be living with the car for a long time after all. See if you can't take it out all day, or even all weekend, even if you have to rent it. Drive it over the same roads you frequently use, e.g. the daily commute. If one car stands out from the rest in the test drives, that's the one you should go for, as they are all good cars but each has its plusses and minuses.
If the test drive is inconclusive and more than one car would work for you, then it gets more interesting. The Civic and Protege do have the best long-term reliability records, and the Civic has the highest resale value. But you will be keeping the car for 20 years, so resale value is not a factor here. The Elantra's warranty may be more important here, since you will use all 10 years of it. You could even think about upgrading the warranty to 10-year bumper-to-bumper, since you know you'll be keeping the car that long, and have 10 years of full warranty coverage for around $700 extra up front.
Sounds like gas mileage will not be a big factor for you either, so that lessens the Civic's advantage there. If you like a sharp handling car above everything else, I think you will enjoy the Protege the most. If you like a smoother, more comfortable ride, then the Elantra or maybe the Civic will please you more. They are all pretty equal in interior room.
Cost-wise, the Elantra seems on the surface to have a big advantage, especially if you can snag one of the remaining 2001 GLSes with the $750 rebate. But Mazda is offering some excellent deals on the 2001s, including 0% financing and free alloys and sunroof on the LX 2.0, so if you are going to finance the car and like the Elantra and Protege equally well, the cost difference may not be that much. You probably won't find many 2001 Civics, and I don't think you want one, based on all the complaints I've seen on the Civic forum re the bouncy rear suspension, which has been improved for 2002. Since there isn't a big fiancial incentive to get a 2001 Civic, may as well go for the improved 2002 model.
Another option to consider, if you can wait a few months, is the 2003 Corolla, an all-new design set to debut in the spring. Given Toyota's track record with the Camry, it should be much improved but not cost much more, maybe even less. Also, the ECHO should be a reliable long-term car, low in cost, and if you do mostly city driving it is a nimble little around-town scooter. Might as well have a lot of fun and drive all the small cars, since you won't be shopping again for a new car for 20 years. Have fun, and good hunting!
Oct 09, 2001 (11:59 am)
Your father's Solara has 90k miles on it and its only a 99 model? That's alot for a 2 1/2 year old car. But it's a Toyota, and 90k miles isn't even broken in yet!
I also agree that there are discrepancies with Iluv's trade-in value. I don't even think the car costed $11K when new!
Oct 09, 2001 (12:42 pm)
My copy of the Kelly Blue Book lists two types of '99 Kia Sephias. The sedan and the LS sedan. The base sedan MSRPed for $11,605 and the LS MSRPed for $12345. These are before adding options.
Either Iluv is telling us what the dealer gave him in trade PLUS the amount the dealer paid off OR Iluv made a typo.
Perhaps he meant to type that he got $1,000 in trade. ; )
Or maybe the dealer was really, really, really desperate for Iluv's business. ; )
#784 of 3871 A scenario
Oct 09, 2001 (1:52 pm)
Kia Sportage, Dealer's Asking Price: $21,995
Less Trade-In: $11,000
Less Rebate: $2,500
Final Cost: $8,495 + TTL
Comment: A new Sportage can be had for less than $14k, after rebate and before trade.