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You are in the Sedans
What is this discussion about?
Toyota ECHO, Chevrolet Aveo, Kia Rio, Nissan Sentra, Honda Fit, Hyundai Accent, Toyota Yaris, Kia Spectra, Suzuki Forenza, Sedan
#631 of 3871 What if?
Sep 09, 2001 (5:56 pm)
Chevrolet Elantra - maybe, because I could drive it for 10 years and it would still be the same car as the 2011 Chevy Elantra. Plus I could get service at every hamlet in the U.S.
Daewoo Elantra: no, not enough of a track record for me.
Dodge Elantra - no, because only the front windows would have power operation.
Ford Elantra: no, because I'd be concerned about first-year problems after the track record of the Focus and my own experience with a '95 Mystique.
Honda Elantra: no, because it would cost $16,000 and for that money I would have gone with the Protege ES, firm ride and all.
Kia Elantra: probably, since it's almost the same company now and price would probably be the same, or less.
Mazda Elantra: yes, if they could keep the price down.
Mitsubishi Elantra: sure, why not? It would probably have a great sound system.
Nissan Elantra: probably, I like my local dealer (bought two Sentras from them).
Saturn Elantra: no, because I expect the "no haggle" price would be too high, and I'm not fond of the wide panel gaps on Saturns (assuming they'd use thermopastic panels).
Subaru Elantra: Hmmm, an Elantra with full-time 4WD... that would be interesting.
Suzuki Elantra: probably, if they kept the price down; Suzukis are pretty reliable.
Toyota Elantra: I'd love to, except like the Honda Elantra it would probably cost $16,000.
VW Elantra: no way, because it would cost $18,000 and would have a 2-year warranty (but still a 10-year powertrain warranty). But the interior would be great.
Note that I did take some liberties here, in that I don't think you could just switch out manufacturers without something else changing-- just like all those "alternate time line" stories in Star Trek.
#632 of 3871 The "stench"
Sep 09, 2001 (5:59 pm)
has nothing to do with interior fabric, as least not on the Korean cars. The Koreans use a sealant to protect cars during shipment. It wears off after a couple weeks of driving, to be replaced by the typical new-car smell (unless you smoke or deliver for Dominos).
Sep 09, 2001 (6:13 pm)
I am saying that if nothing, but the name plate changed would you still buy the car you have. I know it might be a stretch to contemplate Hyundai having the quality or history of a Toyota and other factors related to the companies, but that is why they call it imagination.
Sep 09, 2001 (6:19 pm)
With few exceptions, I sat in every car in every price range at the KC Auto show back in March. The exceptions were the Hummers and the Viper which they weren't letting anyone sit in. And I don't remember getting to sit in any Porsches.
Also, they would not let me sit in any of the concept cars or cars up on the turntables. Those fools. ; )
I do not remember any cars that I did get to sit in having the odor that Kias, Hyundais, and Daewoos had. All of the vehicles of those makers from the most expensive to the least expensive had it. I went twice this year and the visits were separated by a couple of days. I will say that the odor was less the second time around.
#635 of 3871 But Major, I canna change the laws of physics!
Sep 09, 2001 (6:54 pm)
>>If the car you presently owned had been made by a different car company, but nothing about the car besides that changed, would you have still bought the car? Also, let us pretend that the quality rankings of the makers flip flop.<< This is like a bad episode of Star Trek: Voyager! If I understand this, not only are the car makes changing, but the attributes of the manufacturers are changing also--like some sort of parallel universe, where Hyundai acts like Honda and Kia acts like Toyota and so forth. So we have the Honda Elantra and Toyota Sephia, with all the same qualities as the original cars and makers, but transferred to the new makers, and we have Kia Echo and Daewoo Civic and Hyundai Corolla (the names are getting pretty bizarre, too). But now Kia acts like Toyota, at least for quality, so if I were shopping for a high-quality small car I'd be looking for a Kia, and if I wanted best value with some long-term quality risk I'd shop for a Toyota or Honda. Also, since we won't have any knowledge of the "other" universe (that's always the case in these alternate universe story lines), where Honda makes Civics and Kia makes Sephias, we won't have any reason to change our buying habits, and we'll make the same decisions we did before, but in terms of the alternate reality. So that means I would still have bought a Honda Elantra, or Toyota Elantra, or whatever it is in the parallel universe.
Fortunately, I think if we discharge a phase-inverted anti-tachyon pulse through the main deflector array into Edmunds.com's primary web server, it can bring things back to normal.
Is that imaginitive enough? 8)
#636 of 3871 Reasons behind my insanity
Sep 09, 2001 (7:23 pm)
My reasons behind this little exercise were based on the premise put forth on the Daewoo bankruptcy board. A "pro-Daewoo" poster basically said that if the Nubira was made by Toyota and the Corolla was made by Daewoo (and presumably nothing else changed) people would flock to buy the Nubira simply because it was made by Toyota and the Corolla would get little if any attention.
I decide to take that thought and go to the extreme. I feel that if you don't switch the attributes of one car maker with another, you cannot get a fair assessment of how much the name or country of origin means.
Personally, if the Echo were made by another company, but had the quality, probable reliability, resale value, and safety results(presuming lower than Toyota) of the rest of the company's products, I would not buy it.
I guess I do ask too much.
Sep 10, 2001 (3:36 pm)
I also believe that the comment by "pro-Daewoo" poster is true in most cases. Not all but most.
At least in the first few model years people would flock to "Toyota Nubira".
#638 of 3871 Mr.major-Chev's got a long way
Sep 10, 2001 (8:48 pm)
to go to win me back. (I'm looking up at my Revell model I finished a couple of months ago of a '65 Chevy Chevelle SS396 Z-16) Whew!! Chevy could design a nice looking car back in the 60's. I have no LASTING BIAS with GM or Chevy. I just disdain what I've seen come out of them for 30 years. When I hop in my '99 Sephia and shut solidly the door, fire it up and cruise down the street I feel like I'm in a car I can be proud of. Mr.major-if it was a Chevy I would have still bought it-if it was priced the way Kia does them. End of this short story. Kia has and probably always will have Chevy beat in the small car department. Kia IS small cars. Kia ARE small cars? No, let's go back to Kia is small cars. I'm a Kia lifer, baby!!!!
Sep 11, 2001 (9:27 pm)
Gee, I go out of town for a week and all of a sudden this board explodes!!
Back to the Edmunds.com comparison test... First, I have to say that this was an absolutely unfair test by every measure! Most vehicles were equipped with 5-spd manual transmissions and virtually no extra options. The Protege ES was equipped with an automatic transmission and loaded to the gills!! Take away the automatic transmission and ES Premium Package, and you drop the Protege's price by a good $2,400!! That alone would immediately move the Protege's ranking up by two spots. Now, equipped with a 5-spd transmission combined with 200 pounds less weight (without the side airbags, power moonroof, and automatic transmission) and the Protege's acceleration drastically improves (along with its handling and braking), moving it up towards the top of the performance charts, rather than the center. The extra value and extra performance would have moved the Protege ES up to the top spot in the comparison test.
Or, we can look at it this way... Take the Elantra GLS, hook it up to an automatic transmission and add every option on it... it would fall in the ratings by at least three or four spaces. Otherwise, I just look at Car and Driver's review where all of the vehicles were actually equipped in a similar fashion.
As for the Kia board warzone... it has actually settled down quite a bit. Look through the first half and you'll see what I mean. Yes, the Protege board has its complaints too, but every board will. I think our most serious problem so far has been a CD player that refused to eject a disc and an AC system that froze up because it got too cold. Compared to what I have seen in other boards, these are pretty minor...
Sep 12, 2001 (12:03 pm)
This message board has seen many heated debates. Our cars may seperate us briefly for some time but let's remember that we are all human beings, even maybe not all Americans, who deserve decency that was not shown to the citizens of New York and Washington DC when those disasters happened yesterday. Take a moment to think about that.