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3820 messages, Last post on Nov 24, 2008 at 9:45 AM
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Two of the main reasons that I bought a Toyota over a Hyundai, Kia, or Daewoo were little things called initial quality and long term reliability. I did look at the Korean makes and models, but I liked what I saw in the Toyota better. The initial quality is not as good in a Korean make as it is in the Toyota, but don't take my word for it. Look at the J.D. Powers initial quality survey. This is a survey of ACTUAL OWNERS. Daewoo does not have a long enough track record in this country to really talk about whether or not they are reliable in the long haul, but that lack of a track record counted against them. Kia has a somewhat longer track record and it did not inspire confidence in me. I especially did not like all the brake problems I saw reported in the 1999 Kia Sephias. Hyundai has the longest track record here and it scared me the most. I remember all the early models. I also talked to actual owners of more recent Hyundai models and while Hyundai has improved from those early days, they have not improved enough to suit me. Hope that you continue to enjoy your vehicle. |
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You have made claims about cars in the past and I have asked for proof and another person asked for proof before me. Strangely you shut up whenever this happens. Are you going to provide documentation or is it all a bluff? |
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You are not doing your cause any good with all your insults and wisecracks. You do know that, don't you? An occasional wisecrack is okay, but not constantly. I find it wildly amusing that you have not responded to the fact that J.D. Powers and AutoPacific surveyed ACTUAL OWNERS. Surely an actual owner of a Daewoo, Hyundai, or Kia wouldn't be "brain washed" by the "vast Toyota conspiracy" after the purchase of their vehicles. If the Koreans are such leaders in styling; why do parts of the Hyundai XG300 look like a Jaguar; why does the Kia Sedona look like a cross between a Dodge Caravan and a Ford Windstar with a hood from a Mercedes; and why does the next generation Tiburon look like one of its parents was a Mitsubishi Eclipse? Do you think you can answer those questions; deal with the J.D. Powers and AutoPacific surveys being from actual car owners; and, answer me one final question without an insult or wisecrack? The final question is if you are honest enough with yourself to tell us why Hyundai and Kia went to the 10 year/100,000 mile power train warranty? |
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| i said i've outraced celica GT not GT-S. the GT's aren't that great, jus a nice body and a GREAT enterior but for the price of that car their should be maybe a little more torque or something. and yes they know i was racing them. somehow everybody here in LI wants to beat on a hyundai but don't realize these aren't the excels back in the day and have an amazing engine for the price and alot of options. and with the new tiburon coming out with the v-6 powerplant and the sonata with the 3.0 v-6 plus the xg300 which will get a 3.5 soon enough i think hyundais will be near or above the competition in performance and i think are already above the competitors in the "bang for the buck" factor. and kias are very close to follow the trend ofcoarse. so what i'm saying is i don't hate other cars but am dissapointed in some of the prices that these cars have. and the resale value is funny on these cars. i would never buy a used car for 4K with over 100K on it. i think hyundai will be #1 or near there within 5-7 years. | |
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What do you mean that you think Hyundai will be #1 or near there in 5 - 7 years? In what category? |
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I just checked out the Sephia and I am totally bewildered!!! I personally thought the Protege ES was the bottom of the pack in fuel mileage, but that was offset by the Protege's performance. Wow! The Sephia with it's torqueless little engine and lower weight gets worse fuel mileage. But, I guess that lower price offsets it! Hmmm... let's see how the lower price stacks up: Base MSRP is lower on Sephia. Moonroof is... not available on Sephia. Side airbags are... not available on Sephia. EBFD is... not available on Sephia. Fog lights are... not available on Sephia. 4-wheel disc brakes are... not available on Sephia. CD is... extra cost on Sephia. Power mirrors are... extra cost on Sephia. Intermittent wipers are... extra cost on Sephia. Alloy wheels are... extra cost on Sephia. Cruise control is... extra cost on Sephia. However: Poor Safety Rating by IIHS... standard on Sephia So, once you add in all of the extra cost options, the Sephia stills comes in lower in cost. Is it a good value? At first glance, sure. But, let's add in some of the items not available on the Sephia that is standard on a Japanese car, such as the Protege. Higher passive and active safety (dollar amount: ?). Higher levels of performance- better acceleration, better handling, better braking (dollar amount: ?). Higher levels of refinement (dollar amount: ?). Higher resale value (dollar amount: ?). It seems to me that the Kia may be a better value on the Maroney, but not a better value overall. |
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I seem to have created monster. Since were offering opinions on the looks of small cars here's mine: Toyota Echo-kinda cartoonish but growing on me. looks like it came out of an anime movie Kia Sephia-doesnt really stand out in a crowd like that quiet guy from high school. as interesting as a white wall. Mazda Protoge-this car i like. not too garishbut sporty looking with the alloys and spoiler. Honda civic-the angular body leaves a bit to be desired compared to my 98 civic. last gen civic looked the best IMO of all civics. Cant wait until new civic type r debuts. Hyundai Elantra- not a bad looking car. Im not sure of the bobtail trunk though. definately an improvement over the last elantra More to follow My .02 |
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| i think some of the hyundai cars like the elantra and/or the sonata will be #1 in their catagory in 5-7 years. and the sephia wasn't always a good car but now its improving and as i stated before the sephia II is going to be great. i think the echo is UGLY, but i really like how they transfered over the power from the engine to the wheels. the car is really zippy. but the rest i don't like. i think civics are overpriced, proteges are overpriced but really really cool. people need to stop looking at the name of the car and start looking at wat that car can do and wat really comes down to it wat it can do for the money you give? | |
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06-07-2001 Kia Sephia: Car & Driver calls it the best new used car. OK. I bought Kia Sephia because I could purchase a brand new car at used car prices. Namely April 2000 purchase of White 5spd 4dr sdn rear defogger, auto trunk latch, auto gas latch at $8600 incl tax & title. At 27000miles with two major long haul trips completed. On one leg of a past trip we recorded 42mpg with wife driving; recent 3600mi trip documented 38.2mpg leading the pack for half the trip. As a consumer I didnt want the trimmings because I didnt want to pay for them. I purchased Sephia because I wanted a new car at used car prices. From my perspective they have delivered value. The future remains to be seen. Perhaps you all get tired of my mantra, but facts are facts. And as for Sephia looks. It blends well with the current generation of aerodynamic duplicates. Personnally from the tail it resembles my old neighbors Baby Benz. From the head it resembles the Escort & Contour. From the side it looks like all the Asian cars. For me, its not what goodies you get to enhance your basic model; its what you keep in your pocket and still get the job done. Supreme |
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Hey, Mr.major-I don't read those car magazines. I learned after reading a couple reviews of the Sephia that they're either smoking some strong stuff during the drive or they just borrow the next dope's magazine and copy it like some of you Japanese car lovers probably did. They're not accurate and really, if you're going to bite it in a bad wreck you're toast if you're in a Lincoln Continental or a Kia Sephia or a Honda Civic, etc. A safety rating means very close to squat to me. JDPowers or AutoPacific? If Kia and Hyundai owners bad-mouth their Kia's and Hyundai's it's probably 'cause they're into abusing their cars no matter what the brand. I've carefully kept my Sephia serviced and it performs like a champ. liljonson seems to have a healthy, unbiased attitude about these handsome South Korean-built cars. Sephia II will be better than Sephia and the way Sephia has sold for Kia so far there'll be a lot of repeat customers. I'll probably be one or I'll hop up to Optima. Probably I'll trade in for a Sephia II. Kia and my dealer have done nothing to convince me to look at any other car maker. The aesthetically pleasing lines of the Sephia make it an easy and carefree decision. Oh, the warranty Mr.major wants me to touch on. Why would the Long-Haul warranty be a negative in any reasonable way? Key word:REASONABLE. Give me a REASONABLE OBJECTION KIA HATERS!!!!! Ther isn't a reasonable objection to it. It's Kia or Hyundai on their way up, up, up to the top with no signs of slowing down. Protege is boxy, bland and mildly short of ugly. Subaru's are UGLY!!!!
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